The Crafting Monument - In defiance of naysayers

[Cerebrophage]

@Flawless

@Cerebrophage

One could complain that you since you can’t get the perfect weapon due to lack of a pity system, that the crafting system is flawed. This would be true, if the main end-game content required the perfect weapons. Except, it doesn’t call for the perfect weapon. I’ve seen people doing them with profane (grey) gear.

This is not a matter of necessity. Nobody ever said that it is.
It is a matter of what feels good.

This is not an argument against a rework. This is an argument against a specific type of rework.

@Flawless

@Cerebrophage

Half the playerbase are using outdated arguments to improve what’s already been improved by the other doom and gloom thread.

You already said that “half” was an exaggeration.
Thing is, that almost nothing has actually changed in the past year or so.
I hereby invite you to point out and dismantle those “outdated” arguments.

Here’s two.
December 2022

The Gear Progression loop is just horrible as even with crafting it relies on RNG store. Give us option to Craft Weapons! Give us gurantee rewards from missions!

Skipping aside the riddiculous comment from Hedge about cratfing weapons not fitting with setting (lol, but Cash Shop does fit) despite having a Tech Priest and us using salvaged stuff all the time: the gear progression is HORRIBLE. Even when crafting will be added the loop now is to camp RNG store, wait for refresh, switch operatives, check for god-roll. None? Go do some mission, receive no reward, wait for store to refresh, switch between operatives, check for god-roll. None? Go do mission (o…

Why is the Crafting heading in a direction that goes directly against what we were told in the crafting blog? It genuinely is starting to feel like we're just being lied to

Hey @Aqshy I do have a legitimate question. In the update, it says: The same Perk slot can be replaced multiple times, but will block replacing other perks on the same item. This is the next step in building out our crafting system. Yet in the crafting blog, it says: while giving more impact and agency to you, the player in your preferred playstyle. The nature of randomization and repetitive actions sometimes seen within crafting is something that we are steering to avoid in the crafting …

@Flawless

Those are not the reasons for people to want a rework.

You are deliberately painting those in favor of a rework in a bad picture by listing a bunch if irrelevant things.
As i said before, you are implying guilt by association.

It has been said to me in the memorial that people don’t want to put in a determined amount of time. Someone had even used my (at the time of writing) 1800 hours as the standard to get the perfect weapons, which first implies I have a perfect weapon; I don’t. Someone has said there shouldn’t be any locks on the weapons at all. Someone has said they want the perfect weapon for breakpoints and can’t get it.
Those are not mischaracterizations.
Handouts? That’s a gross-blanket characterization for all of it which is a fair point in mischaracterization as it does in fact misrepresent the other arguments before it.

I’m glad you’re here talking to me about this claim of guilt by association and I’m happy to clear it up. When I am referring to the arguments I’ve heard, it’s the arguments that have been brought up to me in the thread “Crafting Memorial; lest we not forget.” I’m happy to hear more arguments so that there is no guilt by association.

@Flawless

@Cerebrophage

Equally, negative feedback does not mean that a system should be done away with completely, it simply demands change.

People do not generally demand that the system be done away with completely.

You’re absolutely right.

@Flawless

@Cerebrophage

Someone getting 5 god rolls is just as likely as someone who doesn’t get any good rolls for anything ever.

No it is not.
Not at all.

Also, you saying “good rolls” does not really mean anything. It is so vague, that you can shift your definition to what ever fits in the moment.

Yeah. You’re absolutely right. So let it apply to all as in another part of the post, I said that auric maelstroms can be done with profane gear. There is enough flexibility to at least get a weapon close to what you want. Just like any other MMO, it does take time to get the blessings you want, it won’t happen Day One. But with enough patience you can get something to work with Guaranteed.

@Flawless

@Cerebrophage

Sounds like you need to update yourself on what the crafting system is, and what FS wanted with it.

You are handwaving away the arguments by simply saying “it is outdated”.

I read all announcements and other dev posts, so i think that i am pretty up to date.
Again, please inform me about what FS actually wanted with it. By providing citations.

Also in this regard: What FS originally said about what they want with the crafting system, was something that players liked.
Then they delivered something completely different, that is not liked all that much.

It is fine to change your vision, if your vision is something that people hate.
But it is moronic to change your beloved vision in order to create something worse instead.

Cite to me the reason where they explicitly state why they changed it, why they chose the model they went with, why they’ve made iterations as slowly as they have and why they just haven’t removed the locks already?
So let’s look at some other things that match your description for precedence…
Hell Divers 2 was supposed to have stats on their helmets but couldn’t do it because of release window. Would’ve been great to have.
Halo 2 was supposed to have the mongoose on release as it was displayed in the EA demo.
Cyberpunk 2077 was laden with features that it was supposed to have but didn’t.
DUST 514 was laden with features that it was supposed to have, but didn’t.
So many more games have had these same problems. Players all loved those features. And they have never came. Given this long history, what makes you think it would be any different?

@Flawless

@Cerebrophage

If it was objectively bad design, people wouldn’t speak fondly of it.

If you have enough people, there will be some who will speak fondly of anything.
Some people literally like to eat human excrement.

That’s true. Equally, if you have enough people, there will be some who will complain of anything.
Some people like to cry for the sake of attention.
Some people like to complain because that’s how they vent their emotional trauma.

Thank you for bringing this misunderstanding to my attention.