So, who's paying for cosmetics?

I’d generally agree with you, if it weren’t for the fact that one persons indulgence can (and let’s be real: most likely does) ruin it for everyone.
As evidenced by the MTX development in recent years. We have 70$ base games with 130$ editions ingame MTX, season passes and sometimes even a subsciption model.

People like you always fall back to that argument and never address that exact issue. I honestly don’t care what you do with your money, but if your actions teach greedy publishers and devs that it is ok to deliver less quality and quantity for more cost, I will reprimand you for your destructive behaviour, because it’s ruining the hobby for me.

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This kind of thing becomes incredibly apparent when you look at the whale business model that’s popular in the MMO genre.
The business model is literally and entirely supported by the fact that a low amount of mentally troubled people will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on the game over its lifespan. Everyone else is not the target audience and will suffer and have a worse experience due to the whale abuse mechanics implemented, even if the game could be great at the base otherwise. A lot of those are “just cosmetic” aswell btw.

The premium cosmetic business model works on a very similar albeit smaller and less severe scale. You can see the resemblances forming once you consider the stuff like FOMO mechanics in the store. Those are whale trapping mechanics from said MMOs originally.

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Its different culture to gaming. The Asia market thinks of gaming differently. A statis symbol to be able to buy all the DLC/PTW. They have less time to play, so if you can pay to catch up, or just get what you want to enjoy they will do that. Its not “mentally troubled people.” you borderline on hate speech. Some people consider money in a very different light than western gaming. Hold on before I lose you to a burst blood vessel. Disposable income, they are paying for what they enjoy. They’re also paying to say they have more money than you, yes, a very scummy gamer elite whale tactic, but its true.

Although I do not agree with this type of game model/experience, (or support it!) This model has seeped into the Tide series in the most unfortunate way, where FS is trying to please BOTH sides. I’m curious if FS internally thinks this is a failed approach, but I have my doubts.

Interesting. One needs to learn to understand that paying customers shouldn’t get an inherent advantage over regular players. Very interesting.

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Bro it’s not hate speech. MMO whales are mentally unwell. Companies are exploiting them. It’s a severe addiction being exploited for profit, much like gambling.
Imagine defending exploitative business practices like this and trying to pretend I’m just racist. wtf man

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Agreed.

We’re not talking about ‘I buy cosmetics to support the devs’, we’re talking about ‘I have drained my bank account for this’.

Thank you. It saddens me how broke some people are. Splurging $30 on aquilas every couple of months is literally pocket change to me. I make that in less than an hour. Its not even an issue. For people to say they can’t afford a $5 skin is more of a personal problem. Some people spend $10 on fast food and will never see it again, yet my skins are still in my inventory.

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If you follow the conversation I brought up MMO whales as a comparison point. Those people do literally drain their bank accounts and go into debt.
I was bringing it up only insofar as cosmetic business models like Darktide actually adapt certain whale catcher strategies, such as the FOMO rotation. It’s psychologically exploitative stuff inherently, lifted from the worst of the worst. I wasn’t saying Darktide is banking on whales or anything, to be clear

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Its really not that serious. Come on man, work harder and earn some more money so $5 won’t seem so devastating a loss. Its embarrassing

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You’re not wrong, but it’s not as simple as you say. Sorry to upset you.

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I’m not saying it’s a simple issue, but pretending that whales aren’t being exploited because they themselves want to spend all that money doesn’t check out. It’s a downright stupid thing to say. Imagine saying gambling addictions aren’t a big problem because after all they go gamble on their own free will. It really is such a thoughtless thing to say

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comon Kambrin, I just said your not wrong.

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But food keeps you alive… Whilst skin are just an illusion until the game is retired.

Like I say, I have no problem with wanting to make money… It’s the way they do it, the mechanisms they employ, and the abohorrent prices they charge.

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From a gaming perspective, that’s obvious.
My question was focused on how players feel their representation should be looked upon when they do or do not pay.

There’s mixed feelings in that - I wanted to see where people stood on it. Those who pay and those who don’t.

Should the casino invest in the gamblers or the ones who won’t set foot in the casino?

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Based on what? Point me to threads on here where people have discussed mixed feelings of paying customers having bigger representation.

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Actually, fast food doesn’t, and what you spend at a restaurant can easily afford you a few good home cooked meals. I never eat out unless its to try something new. Home cooked food is the best and will save you tons of money you think you don’t have.

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The same people who complain about “whales”

The casino as far as I’m concerned can go away. Gambling and other industries that exploit mentally weak peoples addictions can go to hell

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You really just didn’t follow the conversation and skipped the post where I explained it to you here:

Try taking some magnesium, it helps with brainfog.

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