Scoreboard mods existence disproves all the lies about how toxic a scoreboard is

Warhammer 40,000: Darktide General Discussion
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Objective stats that are easily understood, and relevant to mission success as well as performance assessment.
(kills and damage by type, damage taken, downs, deaths, revives…)

The mod also shows “offense score”, “defense score” and “teamplay score”, which are convoluted values that i am not a fan of.

Yes. We leave them off.
Anything that is convoluted and hard to quantify/qualify, should stay away.

I dislike the convoluted “score” values on the scoreboard and imo they add no value and should be ignored.

The great thing about score boards is, that everyone who sees them, was present during the match that produced the stats that are displayed, and knows the context of the numbers (unless they are screengrabbed and posted somewhere ofc).

An ogryn with shield is probably a bad example because that weapon is simply awful.
In general, if you play a lot of matches and you consistently have the lowest damage and kills, then you probably do not deal a lot of damage and do not kill a lot, compared to other players.
The reasons for that are for you to determine, based on the additional information that you have because you were present while the data was gathered.

If you run a thunderhammer with boltgun on your zealot, you might not have the highest overall damage and kills, but you should certainly have a reasonable number of elite kills and if a boss was present, you probably dealt half of the boss damage.

If you use the surge staff, you will probably not be top on damage and kills, but you (just like your teammates) were present during the match.
You know that you used a weapon that is not primarily meant for dps, so you should not judge your value to the team by simply looking at your overall damage and kills.
You should have a bunch of elite/special kills and you were there to witness the enemies you disabled, providing safer fights for your team.

If someone does a good job and provides value as support, people notice.
If someone does not provide anything, people will also notice.

If you flame people in chat, people will also notice.
This does not need to show up on the scoreboard though.

A lot of things that are relevant (good or bad things) are hard (if not impossible) to quantify and should therefore not show up on a scoreboard.

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Okay. Well that’s good to know. At least we have a start point. I’d probably also include them in a version that I’d show. Anything else - or is that it? Just those objective stats that count things?

Would kills per minute be more opportune. Discounting time when you’re not within 50m of an enemy (or something like that)? That’s an efficiency measure comparable across games. I think %shot accuracy is a useful statistic. “Defends” - where a special has locked on to an enemy and you take them down/damage them before that player is hit. When I play surge psyker, I think any enemy paralysed by me while someone else Antaxes them should count for me. There may be more.

Kinda makes sense. It’d be easy to implement. So let’s think it through.

90% of this version of a scoreboard, as you’ve described, is for vets only really as they’re dealing predominantly in kills and are kitted out best to do that. At least in my 500 hours that’s what I think, but then I’m not to egotistic to be shown to be wrong on this.

Everyone else though makes a subjective guess on how good they were based on revives and some mental scaling of kills & damage appropriate to their class and gear. Doesn’t really matter for them though what’s being shown as people “have noticed” they were good.

So - what we’re saying is, the scoreboard has no value for them relative to other players. It’s not comparable.
So their score has no value relative to others.
So nobody needs to see their score.
So this version of a scoreboard need only have your own score, purely as counts of activities (not nebulous indexing) visible and no-one elses?

Is that useful? If you get 800 kills this time vs 900 last time, was that just because the level was longer/team was slower/you got more hordes?

I think that’s my last post on this. I think there are people pro a scoreboard, those against, and those like me who don’t mind as long as it’s relevant to each class. I’m sure in the depths of these boards this same discussion has gone on, with some more eloquent than I. But as "You’ve replied to @Flawless 3 times, did you know you could send them a personal message instead?" has just popped up, I’ll exit at that point unconvinced that a group wide scoreboard really has much value to many as it would only measure easy stats that are not appropriate to all roles and classes.

/overandout

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lmao

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So, that’s a, “No.” from you. Got it.

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im not going to dox myself, but im one of the top players in vermintide 2 and well known for my play in both that game and this game.

I care about scoreboards. most of my friends care about scoreboards being added to this game, most of them use the mod, and all of them are top players in both games.

again im not going to dox anyone but this is just comical.

You say “There is no boogeyman trying to bring down the community as toxic and aggressive, and there are no stalwart defenders of the golden age of scoreboards.”

this is also just not true, we spent months on this forum defending scoreboards from people who accused all of us of being toxic for wanting them.

You seem to just be very uniformed and that needed correcting.

Also calling people ego strokers… just because you never ever took the time to talk to them or learn anything about them is very cringe.

The people who stream this game and help others or run tournaments etc, are they all just ego strokers?

I’ll tell you straight up this entire post is just you virtue signaling how great you are in a covert way. it’s entirely grandiose of you.

this is what you sound like to me :“you guys i don’t stroke my ego, I’m way above that, and I’m also so smart that everything I say is true, but at the same time I’m super humble and I would never ever ever be one of these bad people with an ego.”

You have the biggest ago here pal you just go about it in a covert way for some reason.

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you were not here for the months of ant-score board people attacking this community so ill help you out.

they all said scoreboards would destroy the game and we were all toxic, and evil for wanting them.

yet now we have scoreboard mod, and there are zero complaints.

I didn’t make their argument… I always thought it was dumb… but i suppose they imagined that people who have a scoreboard or a mod would say things like “lol this sharpshooter has zero head shots, they suck and should feel bad.”

its hard to imagine what insane projection and nonsense these people would complain about, really it is… this thread is just to point out that they were always wrong.

scoreboard mod abuse doesn’t exist, or we would hear about it all day long on this forum.

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I’m going to also add something which is not talked about.

In V2, I often get or give compliments based off the scoreboard.

Examples:

“I really tried to out damage you but couldn’t, you did great.”
“Wow 400+ headshots is impressive.”
“7 revives? You are the mvp.”

These compliments happen almost every game in V2, and I’ve seen insults based off scoreboards a few times in several thousand hours.

Scoreboards obviously encourage a positive and supportive gameplay environment, and its sad a few insane people were able to stop them from being used.

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Sure, like you said, scoreboard’s just another hook. It’s like any game that shows kills and deaths is gonna have people bragging about K/D ratios. Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t show kills and deaths. That info’s good to have. It’s just a trade-off. Extra info is the good part, asshattery is the bad part. Seems straightforward to just say that it’s a worthwhile trade-off (=good outweighs the bad), especially in a game like DT with a mild community.

Anyway this convo is going in circles so I’m checking out. TLDR scoreboard is fine, could be better if it had more useful info, but whatever. People are toxic about it sometimes but it’s not that big of a deal /shrug

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You can just turn off the score and keep the stats sections. That’s more or less what i did.

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It’s amazing to me that at this point people are still arguing against the scoreboard and by extension the mod, without eve realizing what’s covered by the mod. Here’s a recent screenshot of the scoreboard after a game i played:

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The horror.

I turn off the sub-scores and overall score lines because it’s ugly and i don’t care about a “score” - but all the rest of these are just objective metrics that you can look at and contemplate after a match. It’s not just kills and DPS, but also team support related and defensive stats too (enemies staggered, blocks, etc.)

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Didn’t think someone in this community was capable of creating a new “what the f did you say about me?” copypasta, but man, here we are.

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Anybody who uses the scoreboard to assess literally anything about teamplay or to compare performance between players doesn’t understand a single thing about how the game functions or about statistics.

There was a guy in the steam forum that says he blocks people based on their scoreboard performance.

It invites toxicity. Sure, it’s up to the person to be an sod about things, but still.

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Keep in mind that OP has a trend of posting about anti-scoreboard players for a month straight, and disappears for an entire month just to start a new thread about toxic anti-scoreboard players. They did this twice so far. They’re literally chasing a boogeyman that doesn’t exist.

You can check their post history and see for yourself. This person hasn’t been around since April 18th and came back to start two threads about anti-scoreboard players for the third time and about how bad of a game Darktide is.

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you asked for a link, now I refuse to play your game so you pretend you won.

all you have to do is look at the forum. https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/

do you see anyone at all making threads about scoreboard mod users harassing them?

nope zero, but that was the argument from the anti-scoreboard people.

they said with no evidence at all that any scoreboard would lead to toxic behavior in this game, somehow I think you didnt ask them for a source.

I know your game… you ask for a source so you can then discredit it, even if all you have to do is look at the forum your self… you will say nope thats not a source, things i can see with my own eyes in plain sight aren’t sources, i win!

the dumbest gambit ever, lol… does this ever work?

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keep in mind there were multiple threads of anti-score board people making up nonsense.

keep in mind scoreboard mod was created.

keep in mind I waited for people to use the mod.

keep in mind im now posting about this again, because we have proof that the months and months of toxic abuse the anti-scoreboard group laid at the feet of this community was all complete projection and nonsense.

keep in mind They made fake accounts to report spam people to censor anyone who was pro scoreboard, my self included, and mods had to go back an undo all the censorship.

keep in mind this community is not toxic at all and scoreboards do not cause people to be toxic at all.

I’m sorry you don’t what the anti-scoreboard people called out for what they did, and how wrong they are, but i’m going to do it anyway.

It’s kinda funny you have no actual argument, so you have to look up my personal post history and try to attack that.

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this so silly of you to say, I can’t even Imagine how you would explain it with logic.

lets talk v2 score board. If I play with randos on cata, usually lead in revives, damage and headshots because I never die, and i almost never miss a shot. Explain to me how someone getting 300+ headshots doesn’t say anything about how they played please?

that’s the first part and then the second part is that people often say wow that’s a lot of headshots, good job… they compliment me, that’s a nice feature of the scoreboard, people see you did a good job and they say thank you, and good job! I always say good job when someone does out damage me, or if they did good things that aren’t on the scoreboard.

the anti-scoreboard people pretend that because I got 300+ headshots, then at the end of the game I yell at everyone and talk crap to them for letting me get more than they did… that never happens.

It also obviously doesn’t happen in V2 or in this game with any frequency because no one ever complains about it, and our community is not toxic.

So the people who don’t like scoreboards have 2 main lies.

  1. scoreboards make people toxic.
  2. scoreboards tell you nothing.

Then what’s funny is they imply you are either a bad person if you disagree about #1, or an idiot if you disagree about #2, but that is actually toxic of them isn’t it? oh the irony.

Imagine calling everyone who doesn’t agree with you names, instead of just proving them wrong.

Imagine getting mad at someone like me who is just proving you wrong.

imagine false reporting a post that was totally fine, to censor it, because you lost.

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It should occur to people by now that I enjoy proving them wrong, and that’s why I made this thread.

So keep the nonsense coming, keep up with the insults, keep spreading lies, keep up with the false reports that will be reversed, it’s fine with me.

This thread will be the last nail in the coffin of all the BS you people have put this community thru, I guarantee it. You can’t even argue, dismantling the lies you spread is easy.

There are a few of the anti-scoreboard crowd missing from this discussion, I hope they come take part in the intellectual blood bath.

cheers

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well that was needlessly toxic

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and the false flagging begins again… you cant flag me for saying you are wrong and proving it.

the mods will come back and remove the censorship and it just makes you look weak.

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this is what happened the last time these people started flagging my posts with false flags to censor me because they lost the argument.

" Hello,

This is an automated message from Fatshark Forums to let you know that your post was restored.

This post was flagged by the community and a staff member opted to restore it."

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