Should Darktide implement improved scoreboard, no green circles of course.
For fun, testing and science… would you want green and new red circles after all?
Constant debate in steam forums so curious what the feeling is here.
Scoreboard is nice and I’d rather have it natively than a bloated mod so yeah sure, nothing speaks against giving players more info and just hiding the info doesn’t make the environment somehow less toxic, you can pull the direct comparison between VT2 and DT and at least in my experience VT2 isn’t more toxic and DT has the far more kill-hungry “I solo the entire mission while staying ahead of my team” circle chasers. It’s more of a game design thing than a scoreboard effect
Absolutely not. Majority of people advocating for scoreboard on these forums are disgustingly toxic players looking for avenues to justify their contempt for those they consider lesser. We shouldn’t be enabling that.
Here, exhibit one. Notice the amount of likes on this post, which is absolutely enormous given the size of this forum. All this ‘personal performance’ is just gaslighting, if you’ve been here for long enough you know perfectly well those people will stop hiding their actual views on others the moment they feel they are in the majority - as is the case here.
Obviously, not all people who want scoreboard want it for that, and outside of the forums we’re on right now it might be even the opposite with personal performance being the actual genuine reason. But we’re not outside these forums, and I think most people who actually want it for valid reasons would understand the potential harm here. Unfortunately, this is why we can’t have nice things.
Yeah I’m curious how they would determine cause due to scoreboard vs design.
You’re arguing on a fully emotional level rather than somehow explaining the pros/cons of a scoreboard though. You’re literally saying “we shouldnt have scoreboards because people I don’t like want them”
like ok? I possibly don’t really like you either, didn’t really factor into what I think about scoreboards though
Nah, you just see it as emotional because that’s the reaction this argument invokes in you. The entire reason for not adding scoreboard was always said to be avoiding the toxicity it brings, which is the most significant argument against its introduction.
Its a valid argument that pro-scoreboard lobby realized they simply cannot counter, so it’s no wonder it’s always met with ad hominem. The con of a scoreboard is enabling toxicity, that’s as objective con as it gets. That you get angry because it’s a base truth you can’t argue with doesn’t mean it’s emotional - it means you are.
If they want to un-enable toxicity I almost wonder why they didn’t do more like taking out who kills which elite / special feed or disable end screen chat.
One can only wonder. My bet would be that the practicality of those things outweighs the potential for toxicity brought through them, which is not the case for scoreboard. Especially the kill feed, though I’m not sure if it wouldn’t lose some of that usefulness if it was anonymous (there are some effects triggered on taggable kills, so you want to know if it was indeed you).
That’s my best guess at least.
According to whom or what? From where did you acquire these metrics?
I restrain myself because I would give Tanner Lindberg a run for his money if I chose to not have a filter. If I expressed my unfiltered opinions about even certain fellow Forumites, I’d have been suspended a LOOONG time ago.
I once gave my raw, unfiltered opinion on why we SHOULD have Scoreboards, and it was then taken down. Whether I was in the majority or not doesn’t really matter to me because I’m here to express MY opinions and in return potentially learn from what others have to say.
This is based on the unfounded assumption that the “majority” of the pro-Scoreboard base are the “toxic” kind.
Just because someone likes a Post doesn’t actually automatically mean that they feel anywhere near as harshly or agree on every single point. I like Posts all of the time that don’t represent my EXACT feelings on an issue.
Now you’re actually making an argument. What toxicity does it bring that DT doesn’t have that VT2 did though? Anyone who played both games knows it had no effect.
What practicality does the attributed killfeed have that an unattributed killfeed wouldn’t have?
As for
There’s already an elite kill sound only you can hear that acts for this
Can you substantiate why in your opinion the attributed killfeed is fine but a scoreboard wouldn’t be?
Sounds like you fit the bill.
I fit the BILL! Oh no, whatever shall I do?
It’s okay, though. Just don’t actually respond to my points and think that you’re doing something by taking advantage of me being self-aware and truthful. You know what’s funny? Human beings do exactly what I just said about myself on a large scale. People filter their raw opinions so that they either fit in or aren’t punished. It’s human nature. I just don’t gaslight myself into thinking that I’m perfect and can do no wrong unlike some.
Anyways, that’s about it. I won’t engage this any further due to bad faith on the other party’s part, yada yada.
Not untrue, you can infer similar information from those two components as from the attributed killfeed. There are edge cases where it wouldn’t be the case (eg. mowing down a crowd of multiple elite types), but those are minor. Attributed killfeed does make it easier though, as you could miss the moment of the kill and still have a moment to look at it to make sure. So I can see the practical application of an attributed kill feed in a moment-to-moment gameplay, which is not the case for scoreboard as it has very little practical application during a mission.
Do note though that I didn’t say I consider one to be fine and the other not to. As far as I’m concerned, if the killfeed became anonymous I wouldn’t shed a tear.
Though if I’m to be honest, personally I’m more worried about ‘circle chasing’ behaviors than the toxicity since the latter doesn’t concern me personally. Both are bad though and should be minimized though, and since adding a scoreboard is sure to reinforce both at once at little tangible benefit (outside of ego boosting), the decision for it not to be included only makes sense.
Mutual.
You could have waited for me to finish replying before you went back to being a jerk. I guess patience is not amongst your virtues though, so don’t expect any more goodwill from me in this thread either.
Not really, it tends to get pushed off quick anyway. The killfeed is really just there for dopamine/ego. Plenty of similar games don’t have one and they’re not missing anything
You did say something along the lines of “this is why we can’t have nice things”. Evidently we can have things that solely exist to placate the ego, but a scoreboard that would help analyze is bad but also placate egos? No, because that one guy on the forums is elitist
Nah I just thought it was funny that you even bother replying to people with basically veiled insults. Someone tries to level with you and your response is some meaningless provocation and dismissing the argument.
I know that’s just how you do insults on public forums to avoid bans because moderation has a single braincell and don’t action provocations, but know that I’d have no problem calling you an insult circumventing the word filter if I felt that way about you
If you say so then sure, admittedly I don’t look at the kill feed enough to have a solid opinion on the matter. As mentioned, I wouldn’t shed a tear if it was to be made anonymous. We don’t need to have a second ego-placating feature though.
I don’t insult people just for the sake of insulting them since it’s a waste of my time. You can pretend not the get what I meant by that reply of mine and I can pretend to believe that you genuinely don’t get the main reason I wrote it, that’s fine by me.
But I won’t miss on the opportunity of calling out your hyporcisy in accusing me of throwing veiled insults when you’ve already done the exact same thing in the very same thread. You’re either pretending to show goodwill or you don’t, but gotta be on the same page.
That was my fault for deciding to go on the Fatshark Forums and express my verbatim thoughts. I apologise and “promise” to not do it again! 
