Scoreboard Polling Results

Warhammer 40,000: Darktide General Discussion
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To all interested conducted another short poll on steam and found old post here about 2023 survey here’s my stats and last post on scoreboards, to conclude here are our results.

Steam: [Poll] The Steam Scoreboard Polls :: Warhammer 40,000: Darktide The Mourningstar - General Discussions

Improved Scoreboard: Yes 71%, No 29%
only 28 votes, poor turnout

Green/Red Circles: Yes 56%, No 44%
only 18 votes

Repeat voters: Yes 6, No 10
So maybe roughly half new voters to subject.

FS Results: Poll Improved Scoreboard?

Improved Scoreboard: Yes 72%, No 27%
94 Votes

Green/Red Circles: Yes 56%, No 43%

JAN 2023 Release Poll: (player opt in forum data) Darktide Open Community Survey

Scoreboard & Player Feedback: Some detailed scoreboard at end of match.
Very Important 210, 42%
Somewhat Important 150, 31%
Not Important 131, 27%

Total votes of 491

If combined for Yes scoreboard thats 73% to 27% No.

So… all forum based polls seem quite unanimous

72% +/- 1% are pro scoreboard, 28% +/- 1% against

50/50 on what details to include or keep off.

Opinion:

-The forums seem decisively pro scoreboard with loud minority against. Even across history of Darktide to its conception.

-The green circle question was partially used to identify the middle ground voters at around 25% for moderate scoreboards.

-Either Fatshark has the same data and ignored player responses or full survey had different results and they ignored as well due to data.

Regardless it has always been doubtful Fatshark would turn around on this subject. They are either committed to new scoreboard philosophy or lack the ability and resources to prioritize it for player retention.

As always scoreboard mod on Nexus games is best we got and its kinda meh too.

This concludes my interest in scoreboard discussions (besides this thread) and Fatshark games in the future (if they have another one) w/o an about face on scoreboard subject.

Thank you for all who participated the results were surprisingly accurate and similar to say the very least… almost suspiciously. GOOD LUCK

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The argument that it leads to toxic players is just ridiculous. In my 1000 of hours in Vermintide I never encountered any player being toxic to another as a result of the scoreboard.

Players can be toxic towards bad players, certainly, but always because of in-game behavior. Not because of the numbers.

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heck, had a zealot the other day that was excusing his reluctance to drop the ammo crate for ages, despite all the rest needing/being dry, with him “busy killing all the enemies” for none of us had any “ranged guns”

suffice to say his “impression” of doing the major work was hilariously wrong and still i didnt mention the “score” :joy:

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I think the most I’ve seen the scoreboard mentioned in VT2 was when people asked if they’re ready for the next difficulty yet. People would usually give the advice that if you manage to get through e.g. Legend with less than 100 or so damage taken then you’re fine to move up to Cataclysm and not be deadweight.

It’s interesting that the scoreboard is gone in Darktide, and that one of the most common complaints about player dynamics is people queueing for difficulties they immediately eat dirt on, in contrast. Cause and effect of the scoreboard being gone to an extent. People were a bit more conscious about clearly underwhelming performances on VT2 and picked difficulties accordingly

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Yeah it seems really rare in game. But really from what I have seen/heard people just complained on forums instead, mostly about “green circle chasing”. Something that sometimes happens but is mostly a flaw with the game’s core design more than anything.

So they removed the scoreboard to stop people from running ahead of the team to chase scores, rather than just making running ahead of the team harder, or redesigning the scoreboard to encourage more team play.

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yeah people are gonna be toxic no matter what in all my play time ive seen people be toxic without a scoreboard and only really one person citing it

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Easy way to solve that is get rid of green circles and also track damage and CC done.

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If you look through this forum fatshark responses. You can find a decent few posts about a “less toxic” scoreboard idea in 2022-2023. Fatshark_hedge has like 10 posts on the topic. Details on what this actually would include are sparse and always seem to come with the “we have had reports of player toxicity due to scoreboard” caviat.

But as time went on they stopped responding and it seems to be a shadow banned topic at this point thanks to toxicity from both sides. I have seen way too many people be way too aggressive about demanding scoreboard be in the game, and that’s probably a solid 80% of the reason we have had zero word on the topic in over a year. I tried to be more positive with my post but I couldn’t resist Pumis lmao.

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@JDLS

You shouldn’t mention the name that cannot be named, it may be like Beetlejuice or Bloody Marry.

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I’ll just put this right here. It was anonymous poll.

Not a good sample number sure.

I’ll just go ahead and say it. If the end result you would see a scoreboard anyway regardless - Why would a person actually want the scoreboard to present itself whilst all party members present as well. Then if you think about it further…

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Well at least one reason for that could be the desire to have something to look at while waiting 10 years for that last person to finish catching up to the server before you are allowed to go back to the Mourningstar…

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Dude are you serious those number correlations are insane, I just like looking at them sexy numbers and let my mind wander on what the reasons are people vote this way, think they want it this way.

From a steam response (own) just seems like my same idea said elsewhere.

Yeah its possible people don’t know what they want either. Fatshark does do interesting experiments with their content launches often not successful but I’d say bold / inspiring attempts regardless.

I don’t think you can easily collect data on scoreboard effects to toxicity either especially not in a vacuum any increased toxicity may just be as likely be result from increased technological use among generations.

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Two points that make this reasonable and I voted for the first option are that there’s so much dead time after a mission you might aswell show the board during it. The second point is that the way it’s worded specifically says ALL party members have to leave which sounds absolutely horrid when playing with friends.

Also, I like scoreboard showing mid mission too. No real point against it. I already have mine show mid mission and I like to take a look at it to see stuff like who yoinked 3 med station charges or wether a guy is at red ammo because he’s not picking any up or despite picking all of it up which helps me decide wether I’ll keep myself topped for emergency or not. Or if I see someone delete every reaper at range and wonder what ranged weapon does that so well, it’s a nice little thing to look at real quick.

I’m a normal enough person so I don’t whinge or rant about it regardless and I like having the info. I don’t care what whiny idiots do with the info. They’re whiny idiots without the info all the same anyways. The common mistake everyone makes on this topic is thinking that the guy who whines about scoreboard numbers wouldn’t just whine about some other inane garbage instead (which for the record the scoreboard sometimes would prevent, today I got bitched at for using the double barrel shotgun but I was doing well with it which the guy might’ve seen with a scoreboard)

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There are easy solutions to scoreboard toxicity, like showing only your stats (or your stats alongside an average of the rest of the team’s stats) if that’s a primary concern.

I think the bigger problem with scoreboards is the type of play behavior they incentivize, particularly as it feels like 90% of what people look at is Kills and Damage, which isn’t necessarily reflective of effective performance and incentivizes some unhelpful behavior in terms of how players engage targets, a scoreboard that doesn’t just highlight the top end raw totals of these would probably be helpful. A player that concentrates on dealing with heavies for instance probably isn’t going to show the same raw numbers as a player who’s mowing all the muppet enemies, but is doing equally valuable work.

The existing scoreboard mod also has some odd weighting/scoring on its stats, like how blocking a handful of times can massively increase one’s “Defense” score, leading to some weird totals.

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Yeah i dislike how scoreboard mod weighs a lot of stats even having a total scores like your the winner! Worst than a green circle, its totaling all the green circles.

Somehow attributing carry things as all equal and time corelated to be good? Button presses seem same value as doing the mini game under fire.

Lacks coherency maintenance which would show how often your fighting with team. Number of downs, damage taken doesn’t specify toughness vs health… could be very refined.

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Totally terrible feature and it’s the first thing I turned off. The mod author even made it so that you drop score for using healing, and blocking an attack gives you more points than killing an enemy. It’s weird to even include that but I guess he just had fun implementing stuff

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i would think the most likely answer is this data is incomplete. you have simply polled a small slice of the demographics feelings , there is no investigation into the actual affects here

Brexit won the poll to , utter disaster.

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Yep I said so in that quote actual survey results maybe the reason they ignored implementing a scoreboard.

Being kept in dark about data doesn’t help forum sentiment though, I’d be more relieved if they released survey results and it was majority did not want scoreboards.

…but if it was the opposite more angered since it’s been 2yrs…

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I wouldn’t consider scoreboard a problem. There is more toxicity over ammo sharing mid-mission than anything else in this game by a mile.

Indeed for me the best stats is the elite melee & ranged kills, disablers, specials etc priority targets. Lesser enemies are 2nd to it. But then chances are if getting all the priority target kills highest, then probably high lesser enemies count anyway, but not necessary the highest.

End of the day the scoreboard mod is here to stay. The very act of re-introducing EAC would actually prevent all mods altogether.

So advice:

  1. Ignore text/VoIP abuse. Really not going to report every single person out there.

  2. Get used to carrying new players or go Auric where there is more chance you’re paired with better players. Really not going to have a go at every person playing beyond their difficulty means.

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lol shall I just refer to him as “the name that shall not be said”?. The other guy with a green P for a profile picture did give me a brief heart attack.

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