Red Duplicates

[Klagh]

This subject has been adressed before and FS during a Stream talked about it a bit but no news since then.
Is there a plan to deal with red duplicates?

As an example I m mostly playing Slayer but got ALL ranged weapons for bardin duplicated which is quite annoying. I even got myself a third drakegun.

The dupes thing on cosmetic was adressed during last patch but no word on red?

[shadowsprite]

Just gonna put this in here too…

[Valos696]

@Klagh

tream talked about it a bit but no news since then.

Is there a plan to deal with red duplicates?

As an example I m mostly playing Slayer but got ALL ranged weapons for bardin duplicated which is quite annoying. I even got

Photoshop, it’s impossible to loot 2 red in the same chest, I don’t believe you mate, it can’t be true…
I have so much pain droping one, how dare you post this here ?

[shadowsprite]

I’ve done it twice. <.<
And of course i’d post it in a “duplicate reds” thread… xD

But then again, my red luck is pretty good. I have 42 of em… >.>
It’s all rng unfortunately… (I also 520 hours in the game so… effort)

[Licious-D]

Had it three times ^^.

[Auralee]

Sorry, but I can attest that the screenshot posted here is not Photoshopped.

j_sat (a popular Youtube player who plays this game) got a Merchant-type chest in Legend and got 2 red items when he opened it. There was a short video of it too.

[NikKotovski]

@Auralee

Sorry, but I can attest that the screenshot posted here is not Photoshopped.

It was Kappa… sad Kappa.

[Abysswalker]

I also got my third hagbane, 2 of them are duplicate… I wont mention my 5 necklaces…

[Nilter]

Sad to admit it, but seems like FS don’t considering current “red dupes” state as any kind of problem

Meanwhile got +1 trinket, it’ll be the 10th one “well played!”…

[Valos696]

Dude, that was pure sarcastic. Don’t take things so seriously.

[Licious-D]

It’s not the end of the world.

[FoxCunning]

@Abysswalker

I wont mention my 5 necklaces…

I’ve enough to open a jewellery shop, but there are so many necklaces around that I’d have trouble finding customers.

[Nilter]

@Licious-D

It’s not the end of the world.

Defenetly not, but it’s kinda stupid that your “extremly rare reward” turns out usless crap, coz you have nothing to do with it.

[NikKotovski]

@Nilter

Defenetly not, but it’s kinda stupid that your “extremly rare reward” turns out usless crap, coz you have nothing to do with it.

I think he was referring to that phrase of devs

@Fatshark_Hedge

but it genuinely isn’t the end of the world.

[Nilter]

Ah, nvm then, now I get what he was talking about.

[GhostRider]

I wrote something relating to this, reposting it here in the hopes it might be seen by the relevant parties :
"
Receiving duplicate illusions/reds rather than the ones you’d be interested in, is rather frustrating.
To circumvent this, It’d be nice if it would be possible to :

1.Exchange extracted illusions for other illusions from some sort of “Market” or “Trade Deport”.
2.Exchange reds for other reds, so that rather than getting items that I wont be using and getting frustrated, instead these items would be viewed as currency to acquire red items you would use (again, some sort of “Market” or “Trade Deport”).

Both of these would go a long way to mitigating bad RNG and to alleviate frustrations with being given loot (especially repeated loot) that wont get used. The exact exchange rates of which are up to the devs, assuming this idea would be considered. In such an event, I’d suggest 1 red weapon in exchange for another, perhaps even only within the same category/class, as well as 1 red utility item in exchange for another, as well as the option to exchange multiple red utility items in exchange for a red weapon of choice.
Similiarly the same could be done with Illusions, ranking them from most common/least decorative to most decorative, and thus setting the exchange rates that way.

Also I’d like to note I’m not suggesting this be done between players, I’d like to see this as a purely NPC function.

~Regards GhostRider.
"

[SmokerT69]

Yea, I constantly get red necklaces. Even on my 4th one, I was still trying to see the bright side. Hey, I can try different builds now, spec some out for tanks and so on. Have some with the same properties but different traits, etc. But after they keep dropping… well, I’m not so positive about the necklaces anymore lol.

Meanwhile, out of all my reds, only two have been primary weapons, melee… And they’re both for weapons I don’t use lol.

[Onza]

I’m becoming real tired of the duplicate situation (as if i wasn’t tired of it from the beginning already) but now am sitting at 5 + of basically every accessory , i just want to play the game with shiny weapons Fatshark i don’t care about stats

[FoxCunning]

@SmokerT69

Yea, I constantly get red necklaces. Even on my 4th one, I was still trying to see the bright side. Hey, I can try different builds now, spec some out for tanks and so on. Have some with the same properties but different traits, etc. But after they keep dropping… well, I’m not so positive about the necklaces anymore lol.

It’s like the game notices you using different necklaces and goes “Oh, I see you like necklaces. Here, have another one”.

I was happy when I got my second red necklace since I don’t want every career to carry natural bond, but after the 4th I was… not so happy anymore.

[NikKotovski]

@FoxCunning @SmokerT69

@NikKotovski

3. Increase weapon drop rate compared to jewelry drop rate by several times, at least for red items. (Thanks to data miners it is known, that right now there is a 55% for a jewelry to drop from a chest slot (3 slots in chest) and a 45% chance for a weapon (not counting deeds, only comparing items). The problem is that all the jewelry is the same (inside its type), while there is about dozen different weapons for each class. There is an average of 10.8 weapon types per class (let’s round it to 11), which means that there is a 4% chance for a particular weapon type to drop from a chest slot, while there is an 18% chance for a particular jewelry type - a 4.5 times difference. This numbers mean that while rolling for 1 unit of each weapon type for a single character, you will get 4.5 instances of each jewelry, and that’s ONLY if you get no duplicates. But you will get them. On average, you will need to roll a number of weapons, equal to 3 times the basic weapon pool, in order to get each and every one of them. Calculations can be found in the second sheet of this spreadsheet. Yet again, the actual number if highly dependant on your luck and might be significantly bigger or smaller. But on average you will get 4.5 * 3 = 13.5 of each jewelry type or 50.5 jewelry in total while farming an instance of each weapon for one character… and there is 5 characters… and you only need 2-3 jewelries of each type, which you will get long before you’re done rolling weapons for just one character.
   On the bright side, there is a crafting system, which makes this whole situation A LOT better. You can always craft the last 2-3 weapons you’re missing. Also, your need a lot of dust for stat/trait rerolls, and you don’t care if it comes from weapons or jewelry. But when you start farming red items, the numbers kick in, and grinding becomes completely ridiculous, since there is currently no red items crafting.)
   Links: 1, 2, 3, 4.

There is already 2 “necklaces” post on 1st page, so I think this explanation is needed.

Also, considering jewelry droprates, it’s pretty real to get 6-8 of them in a row. Ask @Revy if you do not believe me.