I just love how people keep claiming that power sword is the best for anything else than clearing hordes.
It’s absolutely not. It won’t stagger heavier mobs, and as such is pretty meh against them and will be utterly defeated by a bulwark. But indeed it’s absolutely great for mowing down trash - except that it’s not like it’s the only weapon that can do that, or the best one (ogryn cleavers are way better at mowing down hordes). Its single-target DPS is very mediocre as well and loses to tons of other weapons, from eviscerators and power hammers to force swords and lots of axes.
Yes, we can find better weapon against hordes and better weapon against armoureds.
But forcesworp is good against this 2 types. Not the Best but very good after all.
Other weapons, good for one type are not good for the others. Ogryn knife… Against an armoured it’s Just meh.
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Ogryn weapons (all of them) are never “meh” against armor as at the very least they WILL stagger any enemy (incl crushers and bulwarks) on heavy attack. This alone is quite more than a lot of non-ogryn weapons can achieve.
Ogryn shovel > all
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It’s not fun if it makes everything else obsolete. Want to use something else? You will be kicked out of groups. There’s solutions to it like leave it as it is, but make it charge based, 3 charges that replenish slowly, then you have to use it as normal melee unless you really need the power aspect. Personally I would just replace it however with something more lore friendly for vet. Just don’t leave it as something that makes everything else obsolete.
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Literally irrelevant for the overpower sword since, unlike every other weapons with empowered attacks, you’re not locked into a high risk animation. You can just dance around the heavier mobs while safely damaging them and deleting any other lesser mobs within the path of your infinite cleave. You’re literally playing on gaming journalist mode with the overpower sword. Everyone else is forced into making high risk/high reward plays while the OP sword just has no-risk high reward plays.
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Um. You do realize that there aren’t only empowered attacks, right?
Empowered attack with, say, power hammer is “delete this mob” + animation, but it’s not the ONLY way you can down big mobs with power hammer?
If you’re trying to dive into a horde just to hit a crusher with your empowered attack - it’ll likely end badly for you, but it’s not the only way to swing your power hammer. There are heavy attacks, there are special attacks with interesting effects (esp. on various axes) - and a good bunch of those are pretty effective against big mobs and/or their weakpoints and were in fact designed to be used against them.
Did you play anything else in the game besides power sword? Actually doing that would show that no, Thunderhammer does not get to hit everything on the screen immediately in front of you for 300+ damage. It hits 1 target, and because the origin point of the swing is off screen you can’t use it in mob situations reliably on any elite, even the ogryns. Speaking of moves, there isn’t any target thunderhammer does more damage to with a light attack than a heavy, and those are single target moves. The light attack has less damage than the heavy when powered up despite the same end lag when you hit something of almost half a second. How lucky are we!
This also applies to the majority of weapons. Like the cleaver with 2 stabs in its moveset, those attacks are worse single target damage than the bunga cleave slash it uses first. This bad balance is near universal across melee weapons, even on weapons with attacks specifically single target they are often worse damage than their cleaving heavy that follows.
Power sword is stupid, beyond dumb, not even in comparison to everything around it but just as a concept. An attack that is losing basically no damage to cleave and bypassing armor from a melee weapon shouldn’t even hit 1/4 of the screen lmao. Or it should be stuck with average damage and not be combat axe heavy attacking everything at once.
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You are delusional if you think this is a thing.
We’ve had OP builds and weapons in vermintide before, far more than power sword is right now, and this has never been a problem.
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Yes, I did play “anything else”; in fact I’m mostly playing “anything else” as I play sharpshooter the least.
Thunderhammer is indeed oriented towards hitting one target - your point being? A lot of weapons are. You want those “300+ damage” swings? Take Eviscerator, it has those - no infinite cleave (but a good amount of it), but no need to charge it either. Shovel or cleaver ogryns deliver those “300+ damage” swings just with light attacks like there’s no tomorrow. Also, fast weapons can be very hordes-friendly despite being single target - but of course it takes more skill to make every single attack connect and preferably to a weakpoint.
I usually try to debate such statements but powersword is can’t be defended.
Even without its special it’s a pretty decent weapon, on par with other swords.
With it it’s unstoppable (except shields).
Nerfing / removing it frankly seems like a viable option.
Yeah, I can agree that empowered attack with the only “downside” of “but it’s not hitting terribly hard” could use some slight nerfing. However, it’s a far cry from claims such as those expressed in this thread’s title.
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I Think I’ve seen up to 5 enemies cut in half with one swing thanks to the power sword.
The ogryn with a cleaver? 3 maybe 4
Zealot with a eviserator? 2-3 maybe 4 but it bites
The power sword can also tear down elites. It makes melee combat with the vet kind of easy. You just alt charge, 3 swings, dodge, repeat.
Solution? give the alt charge a cooldown mechanic.
Again you were the one claiming a heavy attack with the thunder hammer deleted a mob and whatever you were aiming at so honestly I was more curious if you’ve even played the game. Here you are claiming Ogryn is doing 300 damage to a rager with any of his melees, let alone a knife, as well as multiple ragers at once. TH is easily the worst Zealot melee besides heavy sword and knife Ogryn is completely dependent on his scarce grenades or teammates for armor and maniacs. It is not a viable high difficulty pub loadout at all.
So clearly you still play on sedition or not at all, so we can discount you from the conversation completely. Also on the subject of depending on 1 roll of the eviscerator (which still does awful damage if you don’t rev, again you will notice this past sedition) that there is a combo with power sword that gives you more battery and charges it more from cleaving targets. So no, not even god rolled weapons come close to what the power sword could do.
It’s not delusion when it happens in a ton of online games that are gear and/or build based. If Darktide will be immune to that somehow, great, amazing, will throw a party.
Whatever the case, there should nevere be one clearly above all else item in any of these games, it’s just dumbing everything down by invalidating options when “meta” is just 1 single item.
I didn’t get the memo about Thunder Hammer being bad after the matches I’ve carried with one. Although I prefer the Catachan VII on my Zealot. Thunder Hammer is my, “I’m not left handed” weapon.
It has never been a thing in coop games, the most played ones at least.
Not a thing in deep rock galactic, not a thing in payday, not a thing in any of the vermintides.
What hand is the TH good on? Its not maneuverable and even with strong horde clearing spec is brutally slow clearing any amount of enemies in any scenario. The ‘designers’ at fat shark gutted the light moves to not be worthwhile vs any target. I can at least chain whatever I want to hit reliably, and deal with the risk there. And deal with hordes and slide around, with double the dodges.
I can play with the heavy sword easier, and any of Zealots melees are better in general. Its not in a good state.
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“I decided you only play diff 1 so your opinion is irrelevant”
Well, if you’re mistaking ogryn’s knife with ogryn’s cleaver - you clearly didn’t play the game enough or just completely not attentive to any of the details. So your opinion is irrelevant as well. Have a nice day.
Yeah, I know that concept of builds on only single sublcasses may not be immediately apparent. Yet there are other crit//bleed wpns that are much better at what they do, as well as some ppl just like to carve things to shreds with chain wpns (Kharn!!), or just run with a shovel becasue that is their thing.
Power sword does not make other wpns obsolete, it is simply a swiss knife, like S&D in Vermintide, it makes your runs easy mode. It does not mean ppl only use them. Seems like your experience stems from T3 runs with randoms.
At least try to read what other players are writing about viability and uniqueness of other armaments.