Oh so it the “taunting” part that was the problem, that was the take-away here. Got it.
What’s your point here? That people can’t be purposefully annoying? The being annoying is the behavior that should be questioned. Not mod use. 1/3-1/2 of PC players use mods and thousands have spidey sense and what you’re describing sounds exactly like the one-off trolling (enabled by a mod, yes) that the modding policy takes into account.
You can disagree, but, still, i have the possibility to think what I want without having to ask you the permission.
Try to do that with a shotgun or an autogun. I can assure you it won"t work…
I have seen several times players using exec stance to do the same… And i don’t think this is normal.
“Wall hacks not a problem plasma gun problem” is beyond the pale.
The irony of someone asking for these “types of threads” to stop every chance they get…
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Plasma is definitely the best abuser seeing as it can literally shoot through walls. But the rest of the time when I see someone pre aim a specialist about to walk out of a doorway that wasn’t even making noise? Yes, I am very sure headphones can give that same effect.
When I tried this mod it felt like I was playing a different game having abundant time to respond to cues that simply don’t exist normally. It also takes a lot of the learning of flow routes into action away, just wait for the radar screen. But apparently all of this is fine because sometimes you don’t hear a crusher overhead or net about to fire.
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Ok, I know you had trouble picking up on very obvious points and cues previously, I assumed it’s an IRL issue and I didn’t want to put you on the spot. Like when you couldn’t see the point of the reddit vid I linked in the thread’s context and you thought it was about “broken spawns” and were confused.
The “trolling” is not the issue (or the point @MarxistDictator was making), even if it was trolling (irrelevant).
Do you really think it is or are you now trolling him? I honestly can’t tell anymore.
To say the truth, several arguments you have given make me feel the same.
You still argue that fatshark position is wrong… cause you decided what is a cheat and what is not.
But still, I can disagree and think that fatshark is right.
And still think that, in the given example the problem is not spidey sense but the plasma gun that can shoot through walls.
I repeat that you can do that with exec stance.
Ugh. We’ve gone way past the point where you’ve been able to control yourself enough to have a civil discussion.
I feel very secure in the logic, consistency and validity of my arguments, including the “it’s not mods what karks matches, it’s the very few jerks who do,” which is a sentiment in line with FS’s modding policy.
I’ll probably be incapable of refraining from mod-related topics that you participate in, but like a very few others on this forum, I won’t be interacting directly with you anymore. It’s not worth it. You’re rude.
EDIT (long after the fact): In a moment of frustration, I said I wouldn’t be interacting with gpkgpk anymore because he’s rude. But that has proven to be impossible for me as I find his arguments on this topic misguided and harmful to modding, which I value very highly. So I’ve continued to argue against his increasingly-caustic contributions here, and in other threads related to modding, as calmly and civilly as I possibly can.
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Good lord, now I understand where and how the bar for “self-policing” is set, what a fascinating insight.
Yes, you did repeat it. You want to maybe take a few minutes to think on this a bit more?
I mean that’s fine, you’ve finally demonstrated exactly where you’re coming from and where you stand.
You can consider it rude (because your feelings got hurt or you felt called out) but it was honest, and I honestly can’t say the same for your last response to him (not me), and previously I gave you the benefit of the doubt, repeatedly. Shame on me.
It’s a cheap attempt to hide behind semantics, misdirection and obfuscation.
With a little bit of pushing and prodding you made your genuine opinions known instead of hiding them under the semblance of “reasonable”, and now are resentful because of it. Invaluable information, I’m going to assume you don’t speak for all modders, even though it seems you kind of assumed the mantle of spokesperson.
I’ll probably be incapable of refraining from mod-related topics that you participate in, but like a very few others on this forum, I won’t be interacting directly with you anymore. It’s not worth it. You’re dishonest.
How on earth are we at the point someone is saying aimbot and wall hacks aren’t a problem for a game, whether it’s PvP or PvE?
What the actual expletive.
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Because, like I’ve described ad nauseam at this point, I don’t believe the actual benefit they provide is much of anything at all. You can disagree, that’s fine. But that’s how we’re here.
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That was not my example…
But I feel that, like someone else said, you cannot discuss this topic and staying civil. Maybe if you would discuss with a closed circle of users that think like you will confort you in your feeling.
To say the least, at contrary of you, I don’t think that you should not post (but I may be concerned to see every weeks a new thread). I can understand your concern, and even I am in favor of a solution (an option to permits you to not team with players that would use a patched darktide).
But sure, I would be against any wish to restrain my way to play the game, just cause it would please you. From the poll I had done about this topic, the number of players that think that FS needs to restrain mods are the minority.
I am pretty sure that if they would restrain too much mods, it would impact VERY badly the player base. I would be impacted, and depending of how much it would impact me, I would maybe cease to play the game.
You said that you don’t ask for anti cheat program or even mods sanctioned by fatshark. Good. However, what is your solution? Cause for now, I don’t see any proposition, just accusations that others are cheating. But your definition of what is a cheat is not something validated by fatshark (cheating is mentioned in the darktide EULA) and is not also my definition.
Can you give me the link of what you call wallhack and the aimbot please?
You quote that like if it was approved by fatshark and available for all. I am just curious here.
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Wall hack is the mod in the OP of the previous discussion, which effectively grants the ExStance effect (minus the weapon buffs) all the time.
The aimbots are searchable on Google/Youtube, but would surely be against ToS to post here.
if someone is annoyed by some type of mod, they can also play with trusted friends in private games where they can set their own rules.
Well, it was removed from Nexus. So, it was labelled as not complying the mod policy.
But are they authorized by Fatshark? or do they fall under EULA that forbids cheat (yes I ve read it)
I am totally in favor of rules written by fatshark. If they state that something is forbidden then if someone use it, they have the right, and they should, punish him (temporary ban is the right answer for first warnimg).
they obviously aren’t authorized and those aimbot are cheats with 3rd party programs
it’s people cheating with programs injecting stuff etc.
can’t do anything about that, in online games, if people want to cheat, will cheat anyway.
eac also it is bypassble afaik, so would be just a downside to put it back.
And then they can get a sanction. So, why people keep talking about things that are forbidden as an example of the “bad” behavior of the modding community?
In any game, and more if the game is successful, you will meet such players…
The problem is the answer of the company behind the game.
Yea, what Amelia said. If it were possible for players to detect and report aimbot users (like if they obnoxiously bragged about it the whole game), FS might take action against their accounts.
But FS isn’t going to bring back EAC in an attempt to stifle aimbot usage because it would cripple modding and the impossibly small number of evil aimbotting cheaters would still find ways to cheat.
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You’re straight up living in an alternate reality if you don’t think wall hacks and aimbots are hugely disruptive, even in a PvE game.
I’m not referring to it as an example of the modding community in this particular instance. I used it as an example of how Badwin doesn’t think things can be disruptive in a PvE environment and how poor that general attitude of the original quote is in regards to the general experience. I’m just pointing out degrees. The fact that he doesn’t think an aimbot/wall hack can ruin matches tells me everything I need to know.
My issue is with their general attitude of “If it helps the team in a PvE environment then it’s fine” which is not cool.
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