Comm-Link Delay

[Reginald]

Hence my second paragraph.

[Dagless]

Day of though? We were assured the literal day before it would be posted.

[Reginald]

I mean this IS fatshark. So far my only impression of them has been negative in every interaction pretty much.

[Ralendil]

@Lion-EL-Gubson

Boltgun will release on 23. of May. The 19. May was FS last chance to bring out any news to prevent a B.I.G decline in player numbers.

You can’t be serious… you think all the community will go for Boltgun? except if they lied on the screenshots provided and that it is a beautifull game… well, no chance.
Even starship strooper has better chances. And tbh, the early access sound good. Not great, but good enough. But, there are lot of work on it. So much, that I cannot advice it at this point (even if my first mission on it was really fun).

[Reginald]

Personally my view of troopers after 1 game is far less positive than my view of darktide at the same point. Darktide has some fabulous combat that feels incredible. Its being mismanaged and its players/customers are also being mismanaged but i see it as the better product with better long term replayability.

But sometimes a worse product wins because it remembers its real KPI. Customer satisfaction.

[Dagless]

Reach lvl 5 and do the other game mode, it’s more interesting.

[Ralendil]

@Reginald

Personally my view of troopers after 1 game is far less positive than my view of darktide at the same point.

I totally agree with you

However, an “horde” of bugs is far more dangerous than the DT hordes
It is what I have loved… the moment where lot of bugs come and you have to defend the base.
It could give intense moments if they work well their game.

But, atm I would say:
animations: not bad but assurely not great (DT = great)
textures: Great (DT Great)
combat: few weapons but intense combat. (DT great)
physic: need serious work (DT… great?)
missions: simple… and effective (DT good)
RNG: no RNG (DT RNG everywhere)
Content: poor content but early access (DT is just average on this… miss missions. Not just one more… we need missions with random generation of the maps and objectives)
Universe: Great and devs choices permits an immersion in it (DT: bad on this point)

well… DT is far better than is this starship trooper. However, ST could be a good game. The problem of early access is that you can find a good game that will become a must have game (like Everspace 2) or the game can stay interesting but never good, or worst… it can see things changing for the worst. In other words, you never know what you will get at final when buying an early access game.

[Redy2Snap]

I actually agree with him on this, but only for FS’s art team. They really understand the Warhammer aesthetic and it’s a crime that they have to work for a company that can’t manage even a fraction of that passion and competence on the technical side.

[Ralendil]

@Mayson

• Every tiny piece of content that actually comes out is crafted with care and love
• Incredible attention to detail in everything they do (Just delayed)

No… noooo. You can’t say this.

Proof:

Fatshark, if you want selling cosmetics please don’t be lazy with weapon variations

This is something that annoys me. When you apply a cosmetic to a weapon, the cosmetic is the same for all MK. It means that your weapon will look, sometimes, like an other weapon. Example of the heavy sword: [cosmetics_heavy_swords] As you can see, the cosmetic is from the heavy sword Mk IX, a skin I don’t like (personal opinion). But, my surprise was, while I prepared to create this thread, that this is not all cosmetics. [Cosmetics_MGIa] Lasgun MG Ia is the common appearance for all co…

[Mayson]

@Eldritch_Echo

I hope the doctors find him quickly, this dude is clearly high on copium

My supply is infinite. You cannot stop me!

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@ggg

boltgun, d4, system shock 2 remake, all 3 will be released by end of this month.

FS has no chance of winning this one, there is 1% chance that they would introduce something that would keep general population playing darktide over any of these 3 games

VT2 outlived years of game releases. Darktide will, too. Question is how many will remain.

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@staub2

@Mayson

You’re right about the Discord. One wrong Hot take too many, one joke that doesn’t land, it can all go very quickly. I chalk that up to post-modernitis, but I cannot say anything against it. It’s true.

Coming from the guy who posts “jokes” of people being run over by cars

How new are you to the internet?
You, a young person: Yes.
Nothing personal. But you need some perspective on that one.

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@CommanderJ

What a bunch of incompetent liars. Technical issues. SURE.

I mean, it is a technicality. So not exactly wrong.

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@Nayl

Definitely. Fatshark seems to be repeating this No Man’s Sky style development pattern with broken launch after broken launch. It takes privilege to be able to screw up repeatedly like this. Privilege that the people who actually do the work don’t have.

Yeah but they’ve been doing it since forever. It’s because they put so many eggs in that console release basket. And it’s just not worth it compared to having an amazing PC game launch that holds it’s playerbase captivated.

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@Reginald

Personally my view of troopers after 1 game is far less positive than my view of darktide at the same point. Darktide has some fabulous combat that feels incredible. Its being mismanaged and its players/customers are also being mismanaged but i see it as the better product with better long term replayability.

But sometimes a worse product wins because it remembers its real KPI. Customer satisfaction.

Exactly. Gameplay is king, but Fatshark has to get it together at some point.

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@Ralendil

@Reginald

Personally my view of troopers after 1 game is far less positive than my view of darktide at the same point.

I totally agree with you

However, an “horde” of bugs is far more dangerous than the DT hordes
It is what I have loved… the moment where lot of bugs come and you have to defend the base.
It could give intense moments if they work well their game.

But, atm I would say:
animations: not bad but assurely not great (DT = great)
textures: seriously need work (DT Great)
combat: few weapons but intense combat. (DT great)
physic: need serious work (DT… great?)
missions: simple… and effective (DT good)
RNG: no RNG (DT RNG everywhere)
Content: poor content but early access (DT is just average on this… miss missions. Not just one more… we need missions with random generation of the maps and objectives)
Universe: Great and devs choices permits an immersion in it (DT: bad on this point)

well… DT is far better than is this starship trooper. However, ST could be a good game. The problem of early access is that you can find a good game that will become a must have game (like Everspace 2) or the game can stay interesting but never good, or worst… it can see things changing for the worst. In other words, you never know what you will get at final when buying an early access game.

It all depends how their Early Access development cycle goes. I’ve heard too many Early Access stories, I want to see Early Access results. But I will mark it down as good coop contender.

[Reginald]

@Mayson

VT2 outlived years of game releases. Darktide will, too. Question is how many will remain.

VT2 did not have server upkeep costs to the same degree darktide did.

[tinybike]

In one of their pre-release blog posts, they said that they want to add P2P hosting for private games, if I remember right. Hopefully that’s still their intention. Altho networking code generally is a bear to write, hopefully in this case they could copy and paste most of it from VT2…?

Btw I made this really nice 50/50 mix of hopium and copium and I’m hitting it super hard right now, want some?

[Mayson]

@Reginald

@Mayson

VT2 outlived years of game releases. Darktide will, too. Question is how many will remain.

VT2 did not have server upkeep costs to the same degree darktide did.

It didn’t have the release sales number, either, though.

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@tinybike

In one of their pre-release blog posts, they said that they want to add P2P hosting for private games, if I remember right. Hopefully that’s still their intention. Altho networking code generally is a bear to write, hopefully in this case they could copy and paste most of it from VT2…?

Btw I made this really nice 50/50 mix of hopium and copium and I’m hitting it super hard right now, want some?

Would explain why solo / private mode takes so long.

And sure, I will have some. Pass me the good stuff, bro.

[Kurt]

News for a new game called Darkitde?

[mad_rat_freak]

lol you really are in full cope apologist mode I hoe FS pay you at least

[Morrtanius]

I’d play Darkitde. Sounds like a pretty fun game!

[Mayson]

I see the Human Beans behind the company. I see what they are trying to do.
Yes, they have failed us and themselves here quite a bit. That doesn’t mean I necessarily have to give up on them or condemn them for it.

I know Darktide will be an awesome thing. I also understand all the critics who are let down because it currently still misses that mark by some metrics.

No I don’t get paid to put out these sentences I write, either. It’s just my personal opinion.
I don’t think Fatshark has such job positions available and even if they did, baseline PR work is not a good field to work in, it’s not really that well-paid.
It’d be more passion work that people do out of conviction.

[tinybike]

@Mayson

Human Beans

[Argonaut14]

@Mayson

VT2 outlived years of game releases. Darktide will, too.

I predict DT will have zero further meaningful support but they keep servers running by Christmas. Cosmetics they have made will still be released, wind down DT, slow and quiet playerbase of 2-4k from now on. FS simply haven’t got the leadership team to pull off a real firebreak of a patch that draws a line and makes something new from the old.

[Dagless]

I think that’s a foolish assessment.

Even i’m a pessimist about such things.