Just curious. Just had this happen on the EU servers.
A somewhat well known (i suspect) psyker player demanding i change my build in the lobby.
When i refused they left at the start of the game. They were not the host. Havoc 23 on the map with Swagger.
Build in question was veteran with infiltrate. Other teammates were ogryn with shield and tank talents (down the middle) and zealot with chorus.
Cool or not?
Was i wrong not to change my build?
More context: Ive played havoc since release. Mostly zealot with chorus or veteran with shout. Or psyker with scrier.
This time i wanted to try something different. Ive tested the build in several games in auric high int shock troop with good results so i wanted to see how effective it could be in havoc.
Also that psyker was also someone i have randomly grouped with in the past (on a separate character, so they did not know it was me), and we succesfully did a havoc together. And from what i could see they were skilled, communicative and not toxic at all; which is why i am so baffled by this behaviour. I am guessing maybe they are burned out from playing havoc too much (and perhaps not so aware about the way they treat other people).
Give him one of these It’s a PvE game who cares lol. I don’t always do Meta stuff in even Havoc 40 & we still win. But I think if you have decent enough skill you’ll be fine depending on if you’re comfy going non-meta stuff.
Havoc was balanced against very specific meta builds. If you aren’t being a meta slave then you are at a disadvantage. That person wanted the golden thoughness to make the run go as smooth as possible.
It’s up to them to play with you or not. It’s exactly the kind of behavior which Havoc encourages.
Was that person wrong? I don’t know. Is Havoc wrong? Yes.
Sadly the more clueless someone is, the stronger the opinions they tend to have. Competitive-comparable play modes especially have always had plenty of people who 1) insist on knowing better than everyone else, 2) aggressively try to control what others should or shouldn’t do, and 3) use whatever toxicity they like to enforce those views on others. It’s similar to how many ppl on the forums have strong (and wrong) opinions about classes or builds, learn nothing when taught or proven otherwise, and instantly become abusive the moment someone disagrees.
People have a right to their opinions ofc, no matter how weird or wrong they may be. But sabotaging a run like that? Honestly I’d ask for the whole team to report them, the chat logs offer plenty of proof after all. Leavers have no real impact on regular matches and nothing is lost anyway, but doing that in Havoc should have repercussions. Repeat offenders like that should get them banned from public Havocs.
Don’t see a problem there. We got 2 Psykers (Bubble/Surge, Flame) and 2 Zealots (Chorus, Invisbile) from 16-40. Our invisible Zealot was mostly the objective guy, when we just sit in a corner and defend the waves. You just got a bunch of special snowflakes in your group. Especialy on this rank. Not your fault. You will find this people even in Quickplay Auric/Maelstrom.
What “rules”? Given the context & Havoc-imposed penalties on the host, waiting until the match started before leaving means deliberate gameplay sabotage. It’s basic griefing. Would be different if we didn’t know the reason they left, but we do.
Repeat offense of griefing & trolling no matter how it’s done has always had consequences. The devs are the judges of when and what kind ofc, but still.
OP said he was asked to change build in the lobby, so the guy waited for the mission to be slotted in, accepted, then left it. Arguably waiting for the Havoc mission to start before leaving because you know they’ll have to 3 man it then is pretty intentionally sabotaging those 3 people.
If someone just wants to leave the party in the lobby cause he doesn’t like something, then whatever. But intentionally letting them slot it before leaving, that’s just annoying temper tantrum stuff, wasting the time of 3 people because someone didn’t do what he wanted.
Nobody should demand a change of build, especially not if they are not the host.
The host may ask for a change of build,
but it’s definitely is up to the other player to say Yay or Nee.
The Psyker leaving AFTER the mission had started is a D’CKMOVE!
I would have definatly blocked him for that
PLUS I think people who do this a the worst kind of players:
Bad teammates!
I’m pretty sure I know exactly who you’re talking about.
In my match, I wasn’t playing psyker and he wasn’t the host but he (psyker) was using trauma and shriek.
We lost that match due to not having bubble and me dying very early on and nobody managing to execute a proper save.
After that try, I swapped to a better psyker build and when the 2nd attempt started right after.
In the mission ready screen, he noticed that I swapped, even though my chars do not have similar names between classes, and then just said “Who told you to swap to psyker??” and then immediately left the team.
We managed to win that mission, just the 3 of us because now, we had a useful psyker
Could be that was a totally different player but I’d not be surprised if it wasn’t.
Nah, nublets are nublets regardless of the difficulty they play at. You do you, and let the jackoffs cry about it. This game isn’t even CLOSE enough to being teamplay-designed to warrant changing your build for someone else, let alone someone demanding that you do it for them.
Everyone is free to ask teammates to use or not use a specific build.
Everyone is free to use what ever build they want.
Everyone is free to not like the build that a teammate uses, or to not like the demands that potential teammates have.
Aside from people quitting out during a havoc mission (which might count as griefing, as it is currently designed), there is absolutely nothing wrong with people choosing not to play with someone for any reason.
Wanting to punish people for asking someone to use a build that is good for the content you are about to play, is madness.
Asking for people to get banned for not wanting to stick with the group they are currently in, is just as crazy.
Yeah I don’t think reporting someone over something like this does anyone any good. Better to let it go.
That being said, not only is he a bit of a douche, he’s also ignorant for not wanting one of the best insurance policies on hand. I ran Havoc from probably 25-40 with a gang of randoms turned friends and most of that with a stealth sharpshooter build for the counter fire and clutch capabilities. It worked perfectly together with a chorus zealot, bubble psyker and tank ogryn. Just don’t wander out of the bubble and stop getting hit.
This is not so simple.
While I agree leaving intentionally after someone has started a mission, a mission you claimed to join, is griefing, I would not generalize.
Sometimes there’s a guy that start a mission and don’t ask others. I have got that at one time, we failed, the guy launched a new mission once we landed in Morningstar. I had not left cause I could play, but I would if I had something to do irl…
Don’t try to push the fault on players. The truth is that this game mode has big flaws… and the sad part of this truth is that we all know that it will surely take more than 1 year, for Fatshark, to fix this game mode.
It’s a PvE game who cares lol. I don’t always do Meta stuff in even Havoc 40 & we still win. But I think if you have decent enough skill you’ll be fine depending on if you’re comfy going non-meta stuff.
