We Need A Report Function

Warhammer 40,000: Darktide Gameplay Feedback
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Fair enough, if there were comments that have since been removed insulting you then I get it. Still though, if we’re gonna have a system like this then it should be fair and equal across the board - meaning you throwing insults back shouldn’t get a green pass just because someone else started it first. If you don’t want things to be toxic, then don’t be toxic yourself, eye for an eye ain’t a great legal system after all.

See, most normal, well-adjusted people dislike hate speech and bigotry.

Likewise, I just don’t want people losing access to a product they paid money for. I’ve been playing multiplayer games since I was like 7, I’ve heard every imaginable insult that exists in the human language in many different languages to boot, but I wouldn’t want a single one of those people having their hard-earned cash stripped away from them by some internet morality police with a short fuse.

I find it funny that you choose this way of arguing your point though, because it paints a clear picture of you ever so subtly trying to imply that anyone that disagrees with you is a person who’s okay with “bigotry and hate speech”. It’s very convenient how that works out, innit?

It’s THEIR game

I’m well aware, which is why I find this sentence of yours in the OP quite amusing

Surely if the devs thought it important to have a reporting system in place, they would’ve said something about it so far? Considering no such system existed in Vermintide and they’ve obviously never felt the need for such a system, why is it suddenly such a high priority, 3 games later? Doesn’t sound like you’re letting them do with their own game as they please, like you said you’d “deal” with

Also despite all the issues, technical and otherwise, currently plaguing the game, you’re telling me THIS is the number 1 priority that they should be focusing dev time on? I’m sorry mate but having seen countless threads with people with your mindset (not on these forums mind you, I just mean the internet at large), I can’t help but feel like you’re just looking to get people banned for annoying you, rather than just indeed growing a thicker skin ('tis the internet after all) and blocking them.

Also they’re a tiny studio with only around 100 employees, they for sure don’t have the resources to go over user reports manually, so this system would inevitably be an automated one.

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An automated reporting system means that players, not devs are doing the policing. That’s not OK. FS almost certainly doesn’t have the human resources to dedicate to this task, so it’s almost certain that such a system would be fully automated here.

Nobody here is saying either of those things.

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lmao

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its a 4 player co op game, just kick them if your in a party or leave, not that big of a deal

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To quote C.S. Lewis:
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

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And who is final arbiter on what is racist and what isn’t? I vote for me, because I know best, since I am a raging homophobic racist bigot, and so I have first-hand experience and the necessary expertise!

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Just so you know, a quote is meaningless if you’re unable to substantiate it’s relation to your point. Your choice of quote is ironic though given it’s providence.

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It really isn’t. But since I am the one who decides who is a bigot, since you disrespected me, even though I belong to an oppressed minority, I hereby label you a bigot and will report you to the proper authorities. Prepare to be banned!

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Your trolling hyperbolic statements can be confused for trolling and as such, are not constructive and undermining the valid points you were making earlier… :wink:

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It is not trolling, it is a hyperbolic statement to illustrate what my point is. Determening when someone is “a bigot” is a highly subjective matter. Likewise, just throwing terms like “transphobic” or “racist” in the room to claim the upper hand in an argument is not only pointless, it is counter-productive.

I am jewish, believe me, I know what racism is from first-hand experience. I am an online gamer since pretty much online gaming existed, and I have never EVER encountered any kind of racism or bigotry aimed towards myself. People say stupid stuff, but that’s not racism, that’s just people saying stupid stuff, not real racism. You can tell people: “Hey, I think that’s rude! I think this is racist!” and if they don’t stop, just find someone else to play with. As soon as you want any authority to enforce YOUR subjective feeling of what is right and wrong, it seizes becoming about fighting against bigotry, and it becomes exclusively about you, your own self-righteousness and your hurt feelings. OP could not give two craps about real victims or racism, abuse and discrimination, he just wants to excert power over other people by claiming to objectively determine what is acceptable and what is not.

In my whole time playing VT, VT2 for over 3k hours and now DT, I have not encountered a single instance of what OP is describing. There have been people being elitist or trying to insult me, but these cases are so few that I couldn’t even tell you more than one or two concrete examples. The community in the Tide-Games is very welcoming, generally not elitist, and not racist, homophobis, trans-, or any kind of -phobic you want to come up with. Especially with DT, I am pleasantly surprised that people rarely give their characters “unfitting” names, this holds true especially with Ogryn. Ogryn-players seem to be putting in much effort in giving their characters names that sound like something an Ogryn would call their child. People are involved, people care and want to “roleplay” their characters enough that it doesn’t break other players’ immersion.

So, if someone wants to come here and claim that this is an issue that not only needs addressing, but in a way that has the potential to be abused and to poison the good atmosphere among the players, I will put them to the test and demand concrete examples of what happened. Otherwise, we are discussing hypothetical scenarios, anyhow, and just because a few handful of players MIGHT say mean things to other people, it doesn’t justify establishing a system for denunciation. I hope that makes my perspective understandable.

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That is very true.

The community in these games is overall very pleasant, welcoming and helpful to play with in my experience.
In my 1700 hours of playing I’ve been yelled at by a russian dude over the mic once, and I’m not sure it was even aimed at me.
I am one of the “elitist f*cks” (as I’ve already called myself on these forums), but never exclusive, and never explicitely insulting (explicitely meaning I have yelled at my screen, but not in voice chat or text chat). When time comes to interact with other players, I always try to be constructive ; and I feel like this is the case of an overwhelming part of the community.

That being said, I think Darktide is aimed to be less of a niche as VT, trying to bring in more players, so the community could shift a bit, in which case we have to strive to keep it as friendly as it has been.
Second thing, I haven’t played below Legend in VT for 1600 of my hours, and the Legend+ playerbase is probably not the same either, so I could be biased.

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Thank you for chiming in with your experience and perspective. This is one of the main reasons why I am so passionately against what OP is demanding: There may be online-gaming communities that warrant such a system (the game “Depth” brobably has the most elitist, toxic and overall unpleasant community of any game I have ever played, for example, but even there, you did not encounter raging bouts of racism and transphobia). With FS-Games, this is not the case at all. This is a very good community, mainly because the majority of players cares for the WH universe.

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I think the main reason is that it isn’t PvP.

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Of course, that goes without saying. However, there are some pretty vitriolic pve-communities. In any event, the Tide-Community is a very friendly, welcoming and polite community, not this abominable cesspool of raging racist homophobes OP apparently has in mind.

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That also doesn’t mean there arent any outliers that OP may have encountered.
There are some, no doubt, but I think the mute and kick systems are enough to deal with them.

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Not a fedora, but it always amuses me when people act like a hat means something profound and attack others over it.

I also wear a ring. Is there an attack for that?
Oh no! I also wear glasses! Better call me four-eyes! :roll_eyes:

I have said, repeatedly now, that it should be handled by people.
The only automation is alerting workers once a threshold is reached, since no company can hire enough people to look at every single report in real-time.

Actually, yes, someone did say that.
They said ‘Being a moral busybody is worse than being “toxic” or being a troll’
Considering, in my content, being a troll was ‘Being racist or hateful’, they were exactly saying that wanting to report trolls is worse than the trolls themselves.

Oh, and the guy who said ‘mute, kick, and move on’. Once again stating that making them 'Not my problem", or, more accurately, someone else’s problem, is the fix.

No one gets to ‘decide who is a bigot’ because reports need one of two things:

  1. Proof. Easy enough to send a copy of in-game text chat when someone is reported. No evidence; no ban.
  2. Consistency. Once again; No one is going to get 10/20/30+ random ‘This guy is racist over voice chat’ reports for no reason.

But continue to use a false slippery slope fallacy to make 0 points.

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I’ve never seen an in game report system that works for things like hacking let alone uncouth behaviour. There’s just not the time to check and read through all of these. Devs giving you tools to remove yourself from people you find unpleasant is the best solution. It’s actually so much easier to build your own pool of likeminded players for filling your teams with and honestly the people playing this game have been very chilled so far. I’ve had one unpleasant player (calling a new start a noob and ranting at them) but myself and my other teammate dealt with them by leaving them in the downed/captured state for the rest of the game.

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Just mute them. “And I will not rest until their life crumbles to pieces” mentality after reading a bad joke in chat is pretty toxic. Just mute them. Report function is going to be abused to oblivion. Kick for trolling, mute for toxic behaviour. All that we need. An edgy teen doesn’t deserve to get banned for a bad-taste joke.

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Yeah, no. Far from it.

You seem hell-bent on crushing people that dare to offend you in any capacity. As people mentioned, block function is enough, targeted people can just block the offender, you don’t have to play internet vigilante, trust me.
Possibility of such system being heavily abused has been explained already, so I won’t repeat that, but it’s a very valid concern. Let’s also remember the game is a product people paid not insignificant amount of money for, so let’s not get overzealous with banning.

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Howdy,

I’ve had my run-ins with disagreeable people in DT. I can always excuse myself and re-queue for another mission if someone is so disagreeable I can no longer play with them…

However, the people I have run into that are so disagreeable aren’t flaming in the chat persay, but not playing as a team/selfish/etc etc its consistently completely based off of game choices not online behavior.

Any attempts to censor should be met with the loudest of objections while the option to -simply leave without penalty- still exists. I do not control anyone else but myself, therefore I should not attempt to try to impress my viewpoint on others behavior. Gaming is/has/and should always be for everyone regardless of views/thoughts/opinions.

Thanks,
Gunship

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