Your take is exactly why they’re not an optimal choice for a coop game. Raw numbers fail to take into account a myriad of gameplay aspects and can give players a false sense of performance (positive or negative.) And playing competitively for better scores is the opposite direction a coop game should be designed to go.
can we lay this discussion to rest already?
there is literally no new points being made,
you could copy any random comment from here to any of the previous threads and they wouldn’t stick out one bit.
if you wan’t to add something you should collect all the arguments being made weight them against each other and come to a conclusion or offer a compromise.
not regurgitate the exact same that has been said dozens of times…
Looks like someone decided to reanimate all the scoreboard threads at the same time 
At least one of the threads eventually had two perspectives listening to each other. There might be something useful there. Probably not as much in adding more flat dismissals of what other folks think.
You have your opinion i strongly disagree. Competition is the best thing that can happen in games like this. Take pride in your skills and continue to get better. The coherence mechanic already ensures greencircle chasers get punished there is no reason to remove scoreboards as well. Cheers mate.
lol dont read much do you?
the scoreboard wont do that.
think about it who scores better, the poor team that takes ages keeps triggering swarms and barely makes it. or the pro team that flies through with great builds skill and team work?
as you do better the numbers go down not up.
what i dont get is why there is a small core of people that want a competitve scoreboard in a co op game, they are pro competitive but only if the other 3 arent competing.
its like there scared to actually play a pvp game!
(see what i did there?)
we dont want a comp score card because it promotes competitive play and this is a co op game , if you can remember how much more fun l4d was to play because people were co operating then you would understand why we want darktide to be an experince like that.
Can you show me what you base this particular assumption in?
Hmm, let me see if I can… Wait, wasn’t there a huge-аrse score roll at the end of each campaign that looked like movie credits?
You can’t talk sense into the anti scoreboard crowd i am done trying to do so. Make scorecards a toggle feature so those who get offended by numbers at the end of match can turn it off and those who want healthy competition can have it on so they have a metric to measure what they did each game. If anything fathsark needs to make the scorecards report more information. To launch this game without at least personal scorecards is a huge mistake. Cheers all.
Anti-scoreboard crowd? It’s just a few guys.
I don’t mind this post getting longer and longer. Scoreboard are a vital part of almost any FPS. Did removing the scoreboard from Battlefield 2042 help in curbing the toxicity? No, it increased it and the backlash rippled through forums, reddit, twitter, youtube, discord and anywhere really.
Again. If you come across a toxic player he will trash talk you regardless if you die and have it marked on the scoreboard or not. It’s Fatshark’s responsibility to moderate toxic players and ban them. We shouldn’t be held accountable for the stupidity of a bunch of poorly behaved kids. This is not a reason to punish everyone and remove features from the game.
I also think that this issue lies on both sides. If somebody is talks crap then it sucks I get it, but can’t you be the bigger person and get over it? Why won’t you mute him like in ANY other fps game? Are you really going to allow some kid with too much time on his hands ruin your well deserved free time? Don’t respond to his messages, just mute and report him. If he starts friendly firing you then just leave the game and be done with that fool.
People argued and fought since beginning of the world. Removing a in-game scoreboard isn’t going to change anyone’s personality as if this was a character creator. What this is, is advocating for a group of people so small that they are practically non-existent. I fear how such people can survive life outside of their comfy room.
The people in the team are still gonna have different scores in different areas regardless of the speed and number of enemies.
And that difference is precisely what we want to see.
Fatshark thought it might improve co-operative play to remove them. Some people agreed that seemed like a good idea. Then some other people lost their minds and have been spamming multiple threads foaming at the mouth about how it’s a mistake and anyone who disagrees is any number of random insults that rattle out of their brains. lol
That’s only because the reasons to remove it boil down to “toxicity” and “it’s not as useful as you think, brah”.
And everyone who argues in favor of a scoreboard is painted as a “green circle chaser”, which I never even heard before in almost 3000 hours vermintide 2, or generally are just treated like something must be wrong with them for wanting the scoreboard back.
The people who want the scoreboard are not the ones who lost their minds.
They just want the same feature they had in vermintide and that they expected to be in darktide as well.
You seem to think we’re idiots who only look at numbers.
“Ackshually, team work is much more important than high damage numbers.”
No schit, sherlock. Of course team work is important.
That has nothing to do with anything.
How is something not entirely visible on the scoreboard the ultimate reason to completely get rid of it?
Both are silly. Scoreboard toxicity is way worse when there isn’t a real scoreboard and if someone thinks it isn’t useful they can safely ignore its existence.
well bit of conformation bias as its my opinion, partly a logical assumption, that people wanting co op will generally play co op , you see very few people in say a deathmatch game of CoD calling for more teamplay. it just seems logical to me that most people attracted to a co-op game would be looking for a co operative experience.
But mostly it was just setting up the call back , unfortunately stagard has edied out the claim of competition being the only good reason to play a tide game so it doesnt make a lot of sense now. but i guess it hit the mark.
l4d just ended on “the survivors escaped!” and after the credits you got a “XXXX zombies were harmed in the making of this film”
14d2 did feature a breakdown after the event but the community never seemed to suffer from it, i wondered about that , could be the meta was simply set in the first game, could be that all survivors were identical but i think it comes down to the lack of elites to farm , ammo to fight over and the much increased threat of specials , you were not dodging a hunter you had to punch him in flight an action with far fewer frames, and specials tended to spawn in packs, basically the game nescesitated co op play more.
i get that and debunking that is the point i made this thread for if you read OP half the reasoning is laid out.
but its also the affect it has on the way everyone plays .
there are hundreds of competitive games, if you want to compete why cant you play one of those. why do you need to change one of the few good co op games to do it?
when i feel like a bit of healthy fun competition i tend to go with chivalry or a bit of overwatch, when i want co op i play a co op game like a tide game
Or maybe everyone involved just put on their big-boi-pants and dealt with it.
That’s what we did back in the days.
You didn’t “debunk” schit. The reasons to remove it are bogus.
Coop, teamwork, playing together, bla bla.
A few people can’t deal with the fact that they always have the lowest scores and don’t get any green circles so we have to remove the whole thing for everybody.
I’m not changing anything. I just want the thing I had in the previous two games.
The people who desperately want the scoreboard removed are changing an established franchis and everyone else is supposed to just accept this?
You debunked the scoreboard … wtf does that even mean?
I guess we need even more thread about the scoreboard.
Half the threads should be about the scoreboard.
well if you want answers to any of these questions they are in the posts you replied to.
firstly we have a bit science, in that expecting the number output of a system as complex as a run in a tide game with 1 repition to be representitive of anything is , well simply an error.
then theres the argument of it being used to improve and judge perormance , which of course falls apart when you think about it as improving will see the numbers go down not up.
then theres all the negative behaviour that seeps into everyone normal playstyle. sublte little things kerrellian ulting through you to secure a kill you hyad in the bag not waiting or covering team mates but moving to farm etc, to be honest here i do not think this is solely or even mainly the score boards fault. i would say this is mainly down to the lack of lethality in the specials. But the score card can only promote this type of thing as it only measures and rewards this type of thing.
its not the point, i have wondered if the score card could be made more usefull , but its that its useless , only negative , doesnt work. and promotes competitive play in a co operative game that i want rid of it.
I’ve seen the answers. I’m not impressed.
Oh, don’t worry.
I’m gonna make sure to go out of my way to be extra toxic in the game until they put the scoreboard back in.
I’m gonna call out everyone for dying or wasting anything.
I’m gonna chase those non-existing green circles hardcore, my dude.
I’m gonna be the most competitive son of gun you’ve ever seen.
And there is nothing you can do about it.
We didn’t had scoreboard on Winds of Magic, the hardest content of the game. Of course would have been cool see my numbers in the highests winds, its funny see the stadiscs of the game and I agree at the fact is useful see your performance in numbers to try to improve yourself or check if a build is working properly.
But i was really tired about the people that tried to chase the greens, Kerillians expending all his ammunition of the hagbane bow on wave mobs, because of coures those means a lot of damage and number of kills, meanwhile the rest of the team need to deal whit the specials and the real troublesome minions. Or when some specialls spanws and meanwhile the rest is cleaning it, he rushes the incoming horde to get the “spicy” numbers, usually geting trap by one of them. Or when we are in a good edge to clean the horde, a guy uses his dash skill to reach the horde jumping over the edge and losing the position, of course i would like to let him alone and die as stupid, but usually the people tries to help him… etc etc
I play this game to have chill, not because i want to carry every single game because i have dumb and toxic people that think if they have big numbers it means they are good, instead of having in mind it only reflects his selfish way of play. If i would wanna it i only would play cata true solo, so when i play the normal mode i want a chill game and team work, not be a constant babysitter.
I dont know if removing the scoreboard will prevent some players play selfish like this, but reading you and as you said you would not play this game for it, it looks like the decisión is in the good way. Maybe in the future fatshark made some changes on it.
Also, very childfish the argument “you dont wanna see it because you are bad”, it doesn’t speak at your favour, there is a good amount of reasons because a scoreboard can be good, but need to be good implemented, the scoreboard of V2 only encouraged the selfish playstile.
We’ve tried with logical reasoning.
Ah yes, the same tired story of the kerillian who does the pew pew again.
How do you know they don’t play the exact same way without the scoreboard?
Let’s just get rid of random stuff and see if people magically have different playstyles now.
And yes someone who complains about “green circle chasers” most likely usually has the low scores in my book.
What else? Why would you complain about “green circle chasing” if you get them yourself?
I just play the game. If I have the green circles I have them if I don’t I don’t.
I’m done with the intelligible reasoning because there is no point apparently.
As i said “I dont know if removing the scoreboard will prevent some players play selfish like this”, but the actually scoreboard of the V2 definitively encourages the people to play like this.
We will see how it works when the game is released, but in my opinion if the only choices are don’t have scoreboard or continue whit the same scoreboard of V2, i prefer the first one. I didn’t saw any player during the beta playing like this, so it make me have hope we are in way to a less toxic and more enjoiable runs.
And yes someone who complains about “green circle chasers” most likely usually has the low scores in my book.
What else? Why would you complain about “green circle chasing” if you get them yourself?
As i already said, i’m tired of being his constant babysiter, usually the people is not as good as they think and usually his selfish playstile drag the people that is not enough good to cover all the troubles this guy is creating. I’m tired of cleaning all the junk creates his selfish playstile, and even i do all the unrewarded job on the scoreboard like dealing whit the 2 or 3 mobs constantly coming from behind instead of cleaning the horde i still being on top of the scoreboard, but the guy that created a lot of troubles will continue doing this one because they think is good because he got “big numbers”, instead of thinking about all the troubles he created and having in mind the others doesnt have better numbers because they are doing the relevant job that is not rewarded in this scoreboard that doesn’t reflects the real performance of a player.
I’m done with the intelligible reasoning because there is no point apparently.
I just play the game. If I have the green circles I have them if I don’t I don’t.
If you are as good as you claim, then as me you personally wouldn’t care if there is or no scoreboard, because you already know your performance, and as i said on my previous message its a funny freature see what you did on the run whit numbers, but i can see the benefits of don’t have it looks like much important for a healthy gameplay than having it, almost if the scoreboards are like V2.
What else? Why would you complain about “green circle chasing” if you get them yourself?
I can use this “logic” to attack the people that wants a scoreboard instead of having in mind the reasonable arguments for it, because there are some good arguments to have one scoreboard. “Look how i can do it”
" What else? Why would you complain about not having scoreboard if you dont need an illusionary scoreboard that doesnt reflect your true performance telling you are good to imagine you are a good player"
A good players dont need any thing that tells them they are good, a good player already knows it and they prove it in the battleground.
Thanks for your replies but i will stop here, you can grab all the reasons posted on this discussion and see how it goes when the game is released or you can continue arging and saying "i’m very good you dont want it because all of you are bad ".