But remember, scoreboards and scoreboard enthusiasts aren’t toxic and scoreboards don’t promote problematic behavior. lol
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No, I don’t need a scoreboard in order to be toxic.
The innocent scoreboard has nothing to do with this.
I’m sick of listening to you people who think they are enlightened beings who have to tell others that what they enjoy is actually toxic and promotes bad behaviour.
An elf shooting through a friend - to kill a foe.
A man walking alone - in the face of death.
The dwarf - lets out a fart in the wind.
All eagerly awaiting the round green to reward their hard work.
When the numbers arise - a truth will have been told - for everyone to see.
A truth that can’t be taken back - once it has been born into this world.
Nevermore!
For the truth they tell is simply too dangerous, - too mischievous to ever be called anything but toxic.
Yes, come down from the heavens and show us the way to non-competitive cooperation.
A realm where everything is always radical and cool beans.
Soft and limp my friends.
The positions are set, the pieces stagnant - unmoving.
In their resilience to obey to their ultimate law the poor souls are waiting and contemplating, - considering even.
But in the end the emperor will settle this dispute - and with it the destiny of this world.
At least - to a certain extend.
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At least when I boast that I carried every goddamn n00b in my team at the end and give them crаp about it, they can smack my head into the “Damage taken: 2459” line under my portrait. Wouldn’t be able to without the scoreboard. For some reason this thread lacked this kind of counter-examples.
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why would there be need of an counter argument if we had actual meaningful stats?
you’d could do the just as fine
And the chosen ones bestowed upon us - the number of revives was meaningless.
As was the number of saves and damage taken.
Even the number of specials killed was for naught!
And don’t get me started about the cursed number of boss damage.
Who wants to know the count of headshots anyway?
Nothing matters!
For as long as the weak minded man can finish and convince himself that he was the most awesome MVP everything is fine in these lands.
Because the evil lurks in the table - even more so than on the battlefield.
Although it is not entirely clear, my friends, what the second sentence is supposed to bestow upon us - it must be divine in nature.
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you do know FS removed the scoreboard because they thought it was a good idea. it was you and the others not dealing with it that flooded the forums.
like that you mean?
when?
to see how you did? ive tried to explain the simple error there , to get any meaningful numbers you need as few variables as possible and as many reps as possible, ideally 1 and infinite respectively
what we have reflected in the score card is as close to the opposite as possible. its not measuring skill its measuring who went left where the AI spawned and a million other irrelevancies.
Not claiming the score card is the route of all evil. i dont even think its the biggest path, there are plenty of people who quite clearly are always toxic or become toxic the minute one thing is done in a way they dont want.
The score card is just something that doesnt actually achieve its goal and instead promotes a type of play both detrimental to success within the game and degrades (not ruins) the fun of the co operative experience.
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I know how to solve this difference of views!
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Let’s pretend other people’s views have no merit at all!
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Let’s actively try not to listen and instead take the worst i possible view of what they are saying, or only respond to the view that is easiest to make fun of (oh my god, that line is dying to be made fun of
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Let’s ignore 6 threads with 150 posts and just repeat the last three arguments endlessly.
Death to heretics! For the Emperor!
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And it was so that the same reasons had been repeated - once more - in case anyone forgot in the last 30 minutes.
Even though it had made no difference - the post count had increased.
Which might be good on its own - maybe?
Furthermore the peasants had to be told - once more - that there is an error in their head and their very opinion.
For the chosen ones know the undeniable truth about the world.
And the peasants in their corrupted ways had been deceived by the numbers of the evil spirit.
The brave man tries to preserve that which is good to improve the lives of his people.
The wicked man sets out to prevent his people from preserving the good.
There is a difference between asking to get something back or making sure other people never get something back.
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It’ll be pretty funny if whatever scoreboard Fatshark puts out there is just a bunch of teamwork stats like targets marked, revives and time spent in coherency that does nothing to appease the surly forum mobs.
“At least it would be something …”, the surly forum mob thought to himself.
The truth had been spoken - hidden away between the lines.
Though the truth wasn’t the core of the argument - but opinions had been placed - disguised as facts that were meant to trample the opposition of honest men.
For if an elf shoots through their fellow fighters - just once more - the world might end - and darkness might reign supreme - for all eternity.
I’m one of those people that wants the scoreboard back, too, but your posts have started to look super crazy. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but this kind of aggression and accusation is more damaging to our position than you probably realize. It sounds like Fatshark is aware and discussing it internally, so maybe it’s best to just take a step back and let it be, for now.
I hope you have a nice day.
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I know. This is by design.
I highly doubt they’re gonna base their decision on one dude having fun with the nonsense.
Everything has been said multiple times.
The discussion was stuck from the beginning.
Simply a clash of opinions.
So, why not have a little fun with it?
As long as people are responding it seems to be entertaining, doesn’t it?
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You’re drumming up more conversation in a topic that’s been beaten to death by intentionally antagonizing other posters. It’s not helpful, and makes us look bad during a key moment of decision-making on the part of the developers.
I’m not looking to keep this conversation going, and you can have the last word if that matters to you, but I don’t approve, and I want to make that abundantly clear to anyone else still reading these topics. Your extreme viewpoints and attitude don’t reflect on the rest of us who just want to see the game be the best it can be.
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personal atacks classy
I haven’t made a single personal attack as far as I remember.
It was all broad accusations not aimed at anyone specificly.
I just happened to quote a bunch of people in the process.
Just wanted to make this clear.
And in all honesty if this - me posting a bunch of obvsiouly exaggerated funny posts in an otherwise dead thread is too much for you.
Then by all means maybe you really shouldn’t look at a scoreboard anymore.
i would rather see Fatshark work on other stuff then scoreboard, like missions, skins, communication …
if you have 100+ hours in V1/V2 you dont need scoreboard to tell you how your team did in misson.
when i see Elf runing around with just swords not switching to range weapon, i dont need scoreboard to tell me i did more ranged kills with my slayer, i know and hopefully we will get some new players which will not know when dodge/push/block/melee/shoot, why is bad idea shooting explosive barrel your teammates stand around, it will be so much fun scoreboard or not.
i would rather know how is Fatshark going to split classes ( or what ever we are calling it now)
p.s. my eng is rusty my writing more so
Hey Welcome - thanks for chiming in.
instead of scoreboard give ppl that tutorial room with console witch can spawn enemies one or more, idle or active with different numbers and level where you can try your weapons/talents ( Warframe have somethink like that, i never realy used it in my +2kh) it will give ppl better idea how they will perform in missions than scoreboard. am i crazy ? maybe 
but its not bad ideat is it ?
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Restricting information is rarely a good thing. If people choose to use information for crap purposes, that’s not the fault of the information itself. Even beyond that, players who tend to be toxic are going to do so regardless of something like the scoreboard. I have yet to see an argument that makes any sense in favor of removing it outside of “Other people are jerks” which is an incredibly bad argument. The OP’s post tries to make things all or nothing, when a scoreboard isn’t the only metric you use to help gauge performance. It’s another tool that helps determine things, that you have to also account for how the match went in general.
If they absolutely insist on trying to protect players from themselves (Which… I have yet to see work in anything, and usually just annoys people), at the least give us a personal scoreboard with team total stats to compare to, even if they don’t want to give us other players’ specific stats.
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Make score cards private and then make it a toggle feature for people who don’t want it. Wow problem solved.
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