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EDIT
Oh I would like to see a Warrior Priest hero in VT⊠As a completely new character. Somewhat of a silent Luthor Huss type of character. @ArkBlanc what do you think about that concept⊠Usually silent and calm Warrior Priest when he speaks to other heroes, but when you activate his skill, he shouts with a deep booming voice that reverberates all around.
But please stop with the classes and careers for now, leave that for Vermintide 3
I would prefer that Victor gets a warrior priest class tbh. Because I want to save the new character slots for a vampire, a sister of sigmar and a spellsinger/jade wizard :V
Well I donât know⊠Victor is a bit too skinny for a Warrior Priest
I mean, itâs not that all WPs should be buffed up muscular Empire chads⊠but Iâd kinda want to see something like that
I think that if VT3 becomes a thing, they should introduce completely new story arc and new Heroes. Hell, it doesnât even need to be called Vermintide, why not Greentide?
Ranger veteran rework, when? :^)
Whatâs wrong with RV?
I think he is perfercly fine the way he is.
In my opinion RV offers the most versatility in terms of talent and weapon combination.
At other characters you either get weapons that are under or overperforming which isnât the case with RV.
I canât tell if trolling or not
If you knew RV well enough not to suggest a buff you probably would know that I am not trolling at all
The only strong thing about rv is fire bombs on ult, IF your team lets you have it. Grudge. His passive scales super good with higher difficulties, which is bad on lower difficulties. If you donât take 30% ammo you cannot spam shoot. If your team takes your ammo pouches you donât get ammo, if you snipe or team snipes a special out of bounds you donât get ammo, the percentage to dupe healing is super bad and basically useless, i donât think i have ever hit the dupe on his passive. He always uses the same talents. Ah yes And crossy build is pretty good aswell.
I hope you didnât think rv was good just because of grudge build on cata.
Edit: this is the general issue with him, didnât go too much into detail
I am not talking about certain builds because I am not huge on builds in the first place when it isnât needed for specific scenarios (True Solo or Cata+ difficulties)
I donât see how a buff would fix any of the other points you suggested?
If anything the ammo problem - I assume you are suggesting to give him more ammo?
Because this could have the opposite effect - if you overbuff him itâs just going to be another ranged spamfest which I honestly can greatly refrain from
I still think he is fine - RV is one of the most difficulty character to learn and utilise correctly.
Whatâs more likely is that people havenât found the correct way to do so.
A buff doesnât change that
You said he has good weapon and talent diversity, while i donât see that being the case. I donât wanna into weapons i was more talking about the career itself + talents.
I donât want a buff, this is why i specificly said âreworkâ as a buff wouldnât fix any of the problems i mentioned, except some talents maybe.
I donât think rv is hard to use. You spam ranged, ult at horde or large packs of enemies, throw fire bomb, get mad at team for stealing ur ammo. Get overwhelmed, kite away. Itâs a bit like saying bh is hard to use.
I donât really know how the problems i listed could be fixed if players just learn how to use him. Yes you can make those issues less severe if you have a helping team, you use certain talents or loadouts. But if we look at the career only itâs flawed and it shouldnât be like that, atleast in my opinion. If you think his passive is fine and he has lots of diversity in talents then thatâs great.
Edit: you shouldnât be punished if your team decides to be toxic is a big point iâm trying to make here. Other careers can still utilise their passives even if they get bullied. Huntsman increased crit, ammo on hs. Fk aura etc. Also miniscule chance on dupe is dumb, even combined with the potion talent its bad, even if you use traits you still have rng, why not make it consistent and useable on every difficulty
There such a thing as a dwarven grenadier? Really need a trollhammer torpedo ult.
(On second thought I guess thatâs just an Irondrake. Not sure I want an IB look alike now⊠but dawi artillery, thoâŠ)
Well you canât ignore weapons and just buff talents it isnât something you can ignore.
Talents should accentuate weapons and not talents being the leading factor of a characters playstyle.
You spam hordes - yeah Doomranger build - WoW so much diversity there.
You donât get punished other peoples ââtoxicityââ - on a side note I donât know what toxic is in your perception here
I still stay by my point - people donât know how to correctly utilise him and I am sorry but itâs kind of apparent from the points you made in your edit.
for example throwing axes in combination with the out of ammo talent and power increase work really well, itâs one of my favourite combos in the game to be honest.
Also you are comparing 2 seemingly vastly different characters here.
FK isnât comparable with RV, Huntsman is more accurate but still diverse in their talents.
You canât directly cross compare Huntsman and RV in terms of their talents and make a buff suggestion based off of that, that doesnât seem right.
I stay by my point RV is fine for me
Iâm gonna be a bit direct here.
Did you even read my comment? Did you understand what i wrote?
I meant i was focussing on talents in terms of diversity, i didnât wanna bring in weapons into the discussion. Yes weapons also have some issues, yes weapons need to be taken into consideration when buffing talents, i just didnât wanna start discussing which weapons were good and which were performing a bit less.
How does taking all your pouches not equal toxicity? How does not giving you a firebomb not equal being an a&&hole, if itâs done on purpose. Maybe you didnât encounter it yet, thats great to hear and iâm happy for you, doesnât mean it canât happen.
What did i say that shows i donât know how to use him? Because i only talked about his most dmg build? That doesnât make sense. Iâd be happy to dicussus every build rv has and every gameplay decision that rv can make in every situation if that makes you happy.
Iâm pretty sure that one is bugged. Isnât that the one where you can keep the buff active even when you have ammo? More then 1 i mean.
Lmao that wasnât even what i was saying?? I was saying that other careers like Huntsman and fk donât rely on other people to make full use of their passive and other players canât take every bomb or every ammo pouch and make that career useless and perform way worse then they they intended to.
Where did i make buff suggestions. I wanna âreworkâ him what do you mean buff? If you take buff from reading my comments then idk what to say. Reworking is the best bet for rv. Maybe you donât know the difference between buffing and reworking.
Yeah I had a feeling this was going to be pointless
Good Luck
You are not even commenting on my points, just on things beside it. If you have any arguments as to why iâm wrong instead of just saying âyou have no idea how to play himâ, then iâd be happy to hear them. You didnât even respond on why you think his passives are good choices and why you disagree with this:
Which is again, my whole argument
I am not commenting on your reply because it isnât fruitfull and nothing good will come out of arguing with you I am afraid.
I am not the one that has to convince you of anything here also the way you write is pretty condescending and I couldnât honestly care less.
All I wanted is people to understand classes before they suggest a rework but that seems pointless.
Asking for a substential reply is apparently to much to ask for these days.
I honestly donât even know why I bothered to reply again because all you did was accuse me of either not being able to read properly or not understand you.
Good luck with who ever you are trying to convince here.
I just said rv needs a rework. Then you asked why? I responded. I wasnât trying to convince anyone, you asked me why and i responded you went into argument with me đ€·đ».
Then explain it to me please thats what iâm asking. You are suggesting i donât know how to play rv and are saying that impacts his flaws in his passive. I just wanna know how.
Maybe it wasnât worded properly but you objectively didnt understand what i was saying in your last comment about comparing careers, i pointed it out, mayhe not in the best words but still.
Not convincing anyone, i wanna hear you explain and counter argument me as you went into argument
What I would have liked to see is a re-work of Saltyâs Bounty Hunter career.
While Witch Hunter Captain and Zealot makes sense for Salty, Bounty Hunter does not. I like the gunslinger concept for the career but I think that it should have been done with a Road Warden or Solomon Kane kind of guy. Like this guy. A puritan, zealot and vigilante, not someone who goes for blood money.
To me Bounty Hunter does not work for, dangerously violent and narrow-minded but still idealistic person like Salty.
Iâll bite. How would you rework Bounty Hunter?