Malice works the moment you unlock the first feats at level 5 xD
I’ve had people join my friend and I on a malice low intensity when my zealot was still level 11 who immediately started trash talking me and saying they didn’t wanna have to carry noobs.
I had been running malice on the character from the get-go and had no problems, and was used to playing on legend in VT2, tried assuring them it was not my first rodeo and to calm down, but they refused to believe and ragequitted, forcing us to complete the mission with 2 bots instead of them…
hah I can do damnation at lvl 5 in my pyjama’s
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Its all relative. Some level 30s play at Sedition level, and some level 1s could probably do Damnation. Its nicer to your team to be a higher level for Malice, Heresy, Damnation though.
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I mean yes, but if you’re going to be talking about your mad skills and how you totally would carry in heresy and damnation but other people suck then you should probably not give away that you’re really not that great if you’re recommending level 18+ for malice.
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Gimme a break with all these “git gud” “lrn 2 carry” “I’m so 1337 I can do Heresy at level 5” BS posts.
80-90% of the underleveled players in Mal, Her or Dam are just there to mooch XP and get a free lunch; you’re just creating a bigger problem by not kicking them and allowing them to mooch. Even at 30 most of these would struggle on Her or Dam.
Malice is 10+.
At the very least Damnation should be level locked to 30 unless you’re playing with premades, quite frankly so should Heresy. I’m tired of carrying bad 30s on Heresy let alone lowbies, it’s wasting 2-3/4 players’ time.
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I’m sorry but what? For average tide player difficulties 1-3 are doable with a level 5 charachter.
Personally i have never even touched sedition in this game. Nor would i require anyone to be near level 20 to start playing malice …
Damnation is probably the only difficulty i would argue 30 should be minimun but even that depends entirely on the player piloting.
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Stop and think about what you just said for a second.
So basically you’re just wanting to kick people who could be perfectly capable of doing it because you’re assuming the worst.
Yeah, those people are totally the issue here.
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Give me a break with the mooching. The game is not that hard even on Damnation if you’ve played Cata VT.
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This sounds like the kind of player that dies because again thinks teamwork is for other people because elite or whatever. He carries so much ego that it is easy to carry others apparently. Maybe if he puts down the ego they would have fun…
You do realize very few played Cata VT1 or VT2, and most DT players never played VT?
It’s usually painfully obvious within the first few minutes of a pug who played VT2 and from those who struggled on Legend.
This game is much more punishing than VT2, a big part of that is also due to bugs and questionable design issues. Adding bad low level players to the mix and that tends to sap the fun very quickly when they run around like headless chickens. Lowbie Moochers should be kicked on principle, pure and simple.
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So basically you’re just wanting to kick people who could be perfectly capable of doing it because you’re assuming the worst.
Easy with the strawmanning, that’s not at all what I said.
If they’re too low level on Heresy on Damnation? Yes; when we don’t the group suffers. A level 15 on Damnation is not “perfectly capable” by any metric.
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And yet I’ve done it with PUGs. I wasn’t even the level 15 (I was 24 or 25 at the time IIRC), we were something like level 15/18/25/26 or what have you. (To be fair it was low intensity.) EDIT: 15/19/29/26. My bad. Dug up the video. I did forget that they joined my friend and I in jamming out in our jammies though 
Not even like it was a ‘perfect’ run or something, I was definitely experimenting with what I could get away with on zealot on damnation and whatnot.
If you jump to kick people based on level, it’s not straw manning at all, especially prior to damnation. I give people the benefit of the doubt. Sure, they usually let me down, and I might bad talk them privately to the friend I’m playing with, and that happens regardless of their level. Which is my point. Making assumptions based on level is just silly. Kicking people because you find some aspect of them to nitpick is pathetic, honestly. Not gonna sugar coat it. Hell, I’ve had people try to initiate a vote kick on me because they didn’t like that I was still wearing my prison jammies in heresy at level 13 or something. (Jokes on them, I still wear my jammies at level 30)
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What’s your point? I’ve done it with lowbie pugs too, more than once, I’ve done it countless times too in VT2. You know what I’ve learned? It’s not a good thing to do.
Just 'cause it CAN be done doesn’t mean it SHOULD be done, moochers gonna mooch and deserve to be kicked.
It’s not worth the aggravation and it’s not fair to the team you’re basically rewarding bad behavior from bad players and making the community worse. These guy will never become the type of players you’ll want to play with, so why encourage them? To stroke your ego? Kick them and be done with it and make the community a better place.
Except they contributed just fine. They weren’t perfect but neither was I.
Get over yourself. Not everybody lower level is looking to mooch, not every one of them is going to get carried, and not every one is looking to abuse the system. I’m gonna need a serious citation on the whole “80-90% of players are just there to mooch XP” not to mention the whole underleveled aspect. I’ve had people tell me I’m underleveled in malice at level 14 which I genuinely laughed at. Everything is subjective. Don’t expect everybody to conform to you.
Know what I’ve learned? Yeah there’s gonna be some pretty bad players but there’s also gonna be fine ones too. People can surprise you. At best we have a smooth run and everybody wins (Oh no we might not get a speedrun world record because they took slightly longer to kill something), at worst I might get a chance to clutch which I also find fun.
That’s gross as hell dude. I’m not going to kick people for arbitrary reasons, if you seriously think that’s making the community better you’re part of the problem. My worst experiences are with people exactly with your crappy attitude, my best experiences have been by giving people a chance. Getting kicked (Or just being harassed when the kick fails) because somebody decided you weren’t allowed on the ride feels a hell of a lot worse than “muh run was ruined cus they were under leveled, my time was wasted with this random teammate over that random teammate!”
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Oh did that one time you keep referring to on low intensity go just fine? Glad to hear it.
Being kicked for being underleveled on the 2 hardest diffs is not an arbitrary reason, you don’t have the feats, capstone feats, gear etc.; it’s the perfect reason.
And you you keep focusing on malice but that’s not the crux of the conversation, 10+ is fine for malice. 4 of us did it with just me 10+ and the rest of my buddies 1-5, but that was a pre-made of VT2 players.
You know what’s not fun to a lot of ppl who have less time to play than you or I? Getting dragged down by people who just want to be carried to finish line without contributing, but who will most likely cause a wipe before then.
at worst I might get a chance to clutch which I also find fun.
There it is, ego. Let’s ruin the other 2s fun to stroke your ego because you might “clutch”.
You can pat yourself on the back all you want and it may stroke your ego, but know that you’re not making things better, you’re making them worse.
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Don’t argue, you’re the toxic player people talk about. This is why your games are not fun. Thanks if I see you in game blocked for sure for being a butt just to be a butt.
Edit: you know how bad and underlevel players get better by learning from good players and making mistakes. But please do boot them because we need them not to learn from a bad player like yourself with zero empathy, understanding of the game, and leadership skill.
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Cringe
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I mean on all my characters I also have swapped to heresy around level 10 with the friend I generally duo with and we do just fine. We’ve had people try to be like “Are you sure you should be here?” on their level 30s only for them to die horribly and force us to throw them on our backs. I’m not referring to a single run, stop trying to find excuses to disregard what I’m saying because it doesn’t agree with your mental narrative.
My god you’re unpleasant. Nothing else to say but that. Should I pretend I don’t enjoy it to better my argument? No, that would be disingenuous. It’s not like I’m going “Nyahaha, I must allow these low levels so I can have my BEAUTIFUL SHINING MOMENT AND ALL WILL KNOW MY GLORY!” I literally said at worst I can still find some amusement from it. See above in terms of trying to support your mental narrative.
Yeah dude, I like to be good at the game. I also like to use that experience to try to help people with these sorts of games. If people seem receptive/ask me for advice I’ll freely give it in game as well. Something tells me you don’t bother with this. I’m not going to pretend I’m perfect there either, I’ve definitely hit my limit before in terms of annoyance, but at most in game I might say something like “Are you guys trolling?” when they ignore the medicae for the third time (after getting picked up from death for the second) and suicide off into the sunset.
Stop pretending like you’re some paragon saving the community. You’re helping ruin the game for others, not save it for your precious few who think they get to dictate who is allowed on a difficulty at what level. If people want to try a higher difficulty/improve, more power to them. God knows if we had been locked to malice until 10+ I would have been bored to tears, even on my first character.
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It has nothing to do with level and all to do with game knowlage. People who know mechanics will carry the game with lvl 5 character. People who don’t know mechanics will be dead weight even with lvl 30. I have seen my fair share of useless lvl 30 and outstanding lvl 16+.
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Underleveled players get better by playing at appropriate levels, you know, feats gear etc., not by riding other ppl’s coattails. That’s why there are different difficulties and player and gear level after all, right?
They won’t learn a damned thing by just being carried to the finish line. Well, that’s not true, they’ll learn they can just keep doing it, contribute nothing and occasionally get a free lunch out of it. You think carrying lowbie moochers demonstrates empathy ad/or leadership? All it does is stroke your ego, and that’s anathema to the qualities you listed.
P.S. By all means feel free to pre-block me.
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