… i just wish, there was something in between you know
Quite a lot of space between Havoc 1 and Havoc 40, no?
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Damn right there is and especially when you constantly have to worry about de ranking. Its why there isnt ever more than 4 havoc games going at any given time and most of them are low level. Also even if you find a havoc lvl 30-40 noone will let you join and there also arent players willing to join your party unless of course youd like to play with someone who has only cleared an 18. Also this person is obviously comparing auric and maelstrom to high havoc. Idk why you would mention the fact that there is a ton of space between low havoc and high havoc when havoc is completely different from the regular mission board. If someone wants to play malice all day they dont ever have to stop playing malice but if you want to play havoc 40 all day or even havoc 30 or havoc 10 you cant due to the demotion mechanic. Havoc is a dead game mode for a reason and obviously fatshark doesnt want anyone playing it which is why noone is playing no matter the time of day lol.
Deranking sucks. People not letting you into their party or there not being a party for you to join has nothing to do with the OP’s point, unlike my response.
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It has to do with the overall toxicity of havoc and its all encompassing. De ranking existing at all makes it so people look for certain team comps and wont let you into their game if you arent playing what they want which is obviously toxic. Its also the reason why noone is playing havoc and you also didnt address what I said at all whatsoever. Yes there are lots of havocs between 1-40 but you cannot pick between them or stay at the top if you so choose. Also I completely understand where op is coming from cuz hi shock missions and even IIVEG missions can be a total cake walk but high havoc is insufferable and there isnt any other option or an in between. You asked that original question so confidently painting this illusion of choice within havoc but Your original comment makes no sense. you cant sit at havoc 20 or havoc 30 or havoc 15 or havoc 10 and only play those havocs all day if you so choose? No. There is no choice within havoc you either go up or you go down thats it.
OP wrote like one sentence that you’ve decided means that he wants to play H40 but can’t/won’t because of toxicity caused by deranking. But I interpreted the OP’s meager post differently; I read it as a complaint about the difficulty level (which I’ve seen elsewhere). I could be incorrect.
At any rate, I think deranking is bad for the mode and should be removed. But if my interpretation of the OP is correct (he thinks high Havoc is too hard), anyone can pick any level below their current rank to start a lower Havoc themselves, and at some point along the 1-40 range it likely isn’t going to be harder than Aurics.
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And oh sorry you edited your post after I think. Yes, there’s a derank button.
Hes talking about the fact that there is nothing inbetween auric/maelstrom and havoc. You said there is a ton of levels between 1-40, which is true, but havoc 1-40 is absolutely nothing like sedition to damnation. There is nothing stopping you from being a malice player forever but you cannot for any reason only play havoc 20 and stop there. Also everyone playing havoc is trying to climb to 40 because thats thr point of havoc in the first place. Your talking about havoc as if there is choice within the levels when thats not true. You are either climbing in havoc or you are de ranking in havoc you cant play what you want which is entirely different from the regular board. Pretty sure you can infer from what op said that you are either breezing through hi shock missions or playing insanely difficult hi havoc missions assuming one is high havoc and that there is no inbetween. Also op is correct in the sense that im currently havoc 30. I can either go snooze through a hi shock mission or I can go sweat my balls off for 50 minutes with randoms ina havoc 30 mission and there is no inbetween even though according to you there are so many levels between 1-40. Yeah except we have no say in which havoc we play at because you cant stay at any havoc level.
Given that the overwhelmingly vast majority of the playerbase isn’t good enough for, and doesn’t play at, the Auric level, I’d suggest we’re largely differentiating between different levels of Sweat.
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Sure but OP called Auric baby mode, so.
You can stop there with the derank button, assuming you consistently win 1/3 times. Again, I think forced derank is bogus and should be removed in favor of an up rank button just like the down rank button.
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Auric is baby mode if you have as many hours as some of us do in the game and its most definitely baby mode given how op our characters currently are within the game and with competent teammates. I just snoozed through an IIIVEG mission with 3 ogryns and a zealot and we faced little to no difficulty whatsoever and the mission was rather easy and that was supposed to be the most difficult maelstrom. Yes you are either cake walking hi shock missions or sweating your balls off for 50 minutes straight in a high havoc mission and there isnt a difficulty between auric/maelstrom and havoc. Also in general I think alot of people wish havoc was different and maybe them it would actually be fun end game content. Many of us who play this game are bored with darktide because we either have to play another hi shock mission for the millionth time or deal with havoc and thats it and engaging with havoc is obviously something noone wants to do which is why noone is playing havoc.
prime example here
all there was to it was a small fkkup at the end with people running apart instead of fighting the bosses (which i kited to take pressure from the team)
end of the story, despite the match going smooth until then instant disband cause demotion/strike spent
fkk this with a steaming hot iron.
was the only team all day as well in that lvl region accepting so no more havoc content 
except some dont want to play “kindergarten” but something that draws an audience aka havoc 40.
if i want to try 30x over 2 days to get a random team together and a good match but the game wont let me, well guess how motivated i am?
oddly enough space marine 2 lets me try 100 attempts at absolute difficulty solo with bots if i’m in the mood that week 
and guess again “kein schwein” watches lower diff content of that either.
how the hell am i with a small channel supposed to grow if the game throws those roadblocks in order to get some quality content ?!?
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Havoc isnt at all worth engaging with and its why noone is engaging with it. Im not going to sit for 30 minutes trying to piece together a squad of competent players to try and maybe get through a havoc 30 mission that we will more than likely lose over and over and over again because its not worth my time. On the other hand many of us are tired of playing hi shock missions because most of the time they arent challenging at all whatsoever and we arent even thinking in them we just W key at everything and then the mission is over. Weve played hundreds and hundreds of hi shock missions and would like something else to do but unfortunately fatshark designed a game mode they very clearly dont want anyone playing so we arent. Also given how long we have to wait between updates were more rhan likely waiting months for more weapons and maps so outside of an ogryn rework and them killing havoc we basically got nothing this update.
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when asked for suggestions my answer was simple:
revamp havoc with
stackable modifiers of choice
free pick from the map pool
no “rank” or demotions but bragging rights by
i finished (add modifiers) all at once.
simple way to make incredible combinations any time of the day and go ham.
you fail? who cares try again as much as you want
there is nothing “outside” ogryn, sah i AM ogryn 
just don’t bring your chorus or voc to baby mode and find out that the game is actually not easy
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Sure, but between Auric, Auric Maelstrom, and 40 different levels of Havoc, they’re all various flavors of “harder than hard mode” far beyond most players, even with hundreds of hours invested.
Sounds like the solution to OP’s problem isn’t another new mode, but rather to play Havoc 25/30 instead of trying push it all the way to 40 if they want something substantially harder than Auric but not quite the top insanity, assuming FS ever gets around to dealing with the demotion and party finder sillyness.
I agree with you assuming, as I have, that the OP’s issue is that there isn’t enough challenge between Auric & Havoc 40.
I also think there are loads of other ways to make the game harder: playing with fewer players, limiting weapon/ability choices, playing with fewer talents, etc. They all require either playing alone or with a group of likeminded people, but these techniques have been practiced by folks for ages in DT & VT2 and countless other games, and it is a totally valid way to tailor the game experience to your tastes. Just seems to annoy some people because there are trade offs (ie no instant-join quickplay).
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I feel what’s mainly OP’s point here (or what makes the most sense) is the fact that you either quickplay Auric/Maelstrom with no cost to you and have a blast but at most have a ‘moderate challenge’ or only really see challenge when you’re playing with a bunch of low level rejects that just got to 30 one game ago.
or
You’re trying to play mid to high level havoc and have to contend with the ‘sweatlords’ where in you will never actually get to the point of playing because all the good players (like myself and so many others) have completely given up on the gamemode as they played all the games they needed to to get all the things, and can not be arsed to engaged with a BS deranking system that actively removes my ability to play the difficulty I want to anyway. So f that I’m just gonna spam auric where I don’t feel like I have to apply for a job and hope they find my resume (title, border, keychain and true level) stacks up enough for them to let me in.
Or, you become the manager of your own Havoc, and realize why everyone’s so terrible at letting people in as you win one game with a quality team comp and everyone leaves (cause who the heck wants to keep risking their rank once they’ve won one?) then lose the next 5 and go back to square one with a risk of falling even lower.
It’s just unfortunate. Granted, I still have fun in Auric, but with the Ogryn update being just so strong, it does very much feel ‘completely manageable’ now most of the time. It’s rare that Auric makes me feel threatened unless the director is literally BSing you (had an infinite staggered spawn of trapper into flammer into trapper into flammer into trapper into flammer the other day, that lose was ‘fun’). But outside of that? You just beat your way through everything. It still feels super satisfying to me, but I wouldn’t exactly call it ‘challenging’. But meanwhile playing havoc is basically requesting to play solo mode while carrying bots at this point, which I ALSO don’t really feel like doing/I do like having at least the idea of team mates to work with, so it’s just Auric all day everyday.
Which is still fun, but at this point I would absolutely adore ‘Havoc introductory’ difficulty, where you quickplay into what is essentially a level 20 (Damnation) havoc, but without the toughness/health reduction. I think all those extra modifiers and constant proper horde spawns would be super nice for those looking for a ‘middle ground’ where they don’t have to apply for a job but still just want something ‘meaty’ to challenge their new found strength. But I sadly don’t see that happening any time soon/at all..
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Nope. Demotion means many people, including myself, won’t play it.
I got sent back to 1 from 40 because the lame mechanic and so can’t even just play a 20-30 tier if I wanted to.
It’s so restrictive that it makes no sense whatsoever.
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“gear fear” is a thing and it aint limited to “tarkov”
shame the devs didnt keep that in mind and seem adamant of keeping the doomed direction they’re heading right now 