The title does absolutely not seem like irony when you repeat it at the end after a whole post where the message is that Grail Knight is fragile, immobile, has poor damage relative to peers, is clunky, needs lots of help and doesnt bring enough to the team.
The intent of the screenshot i sent was the idea that a career with all these issue´s could not yield such results. Especially not consistently.
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Also, your talk about GK needing help with bosses is kinda off too, yeah sure he cant pop them with just a strength pot, a shrapnel bomb + conc pot lets him do it as well as a bounty does though. Same conditions as a Shade whom needs to bring daggers for optimal shots. And he absolutely dumpsters a dagger shade in general output with a lot of freedom in what weapons he brings.
@Frostysir This is YOUR free interpretation. I said what I wrote: there are careers that overshadow him. Nope that he can’t do nothing. If you want I can do some matches and bring you some green circles screenshots. Even an overshadowed career can make good scores
There is no melee specialist(aside from BW) that beats GK in pure overall damage, that´s not interpretation thats a matter of facts.
Mace&sword is one of the best anti infantry/unarmored elite weapons in the game. Has great synergy with all 3 lvl 10 talents.
Exe is one of the very best anti armor weapons in the game, can outright oneshot chaos warriors on a heavy attack crit even when hitting the body when using the virtue of knightly temper…at least on PC. Heavy attack power build is generally powerful too.
Strength pot blessing triggers often enough on cata that a user will have pots during nearly all elite waves.
His ability lets him pop 1-3 elites very quickly if not instantly depending on use.
Virtue of stoicism + barkskin + stagger THP = Durability for days against hordes.
With conc pot&double stab he is the 3rd best monster killer in the game, behind dagger shade and manbow huntsman, while being easier than both of them combined…mostly due to huntsman.
Shade can beat him in monster burst with daggers but daggers have no cleave + poor reach and absolutely cant beat M&S for anything but monsters and elites.
Slayer can beat him in average DPS when strength pots are not in use or monster DPS but falls behind when potions come in.
Warrior priest? Can abuse heal on shield + shield+fury on damage taken to become a damn wall, still has nowhere near the elite&monster damage with the exception of flail vs shields.
… I wrote to the Original Poster why I disagree about GK
Frost quoted me for first and said me why I’m wrong
I replied once with my motivation
He write me again about why I’m still wrong
From that point I’m just saying “let’s just agree we disagree, I’m not interested in that discussion”… indeed I didn’t write nothing about GK
But he keeps quote me bringing scoreboard and resurrecting my old thread and “accusing” me of things I never wrote
I replied “look, this is your interpretation, I didn’t mean that” only to specify he misunderstood my words… (and he even started explaining again why I’m wrong -although, I repeat, I had no longer written any argoment on GK-)
Are you serious? Simply for 6 days I didn’t join the forum
After 6 days I logged and I saw the notification about him saying again that in my thread I wrote “GK is totally useless, he can’t do nothing” so I just answered that was just his own interpretation
GK Peers = Other melee careers, slayer&WP etc but also careers that mainly melee really.
“I wont say any name” “Tank many more hits " Leap away” “Insta stagger”
This isnt still outright stating that GK is kinda bad relative to WP and slayer? I am not taking your stuff outa context, i am reading it very literally. You can claim irony all you want but i sure as heck cant see it.
I’m just gonna add to this and point out that Grail Knight is (I’m pretty sure) used quite frequently for modded difficulties which really puts a giant question mark over “struggles with high pressure” claim to me out the gate. If he can perform under vastly more pressure then vanilla difficulties it’s a hard sell to me that he struggles with base Cata pressure.
@Rapax my memory is you’re a regular modded player. Can you confirm/deny this?
If that isnt the meaning, why did you make a whole ass post with this as the title, followed by multiple paragraphs reasoning forth that he has worse damage than slayer, and worse durability than WP. And then reasoning out that given this and his clunky ability, nerfing him more is just making sure he is gona “die”?
Like you tell me, when an elite wave comes, how does a slayer beat a mace&sword GK with a strength pot ready to go in damage? And how does slayer beat double stab GK with conc pot against monsters? How does WP beat him against monsters or even infantry at all? Sure if he doesnt use the pot blessing.
But that is then a choice to use something subpar, slayer or WP can do such things too. And how does either of them match GK being able to regularly execute non-shielded elites in a single hit?
Your entire reasoning for that “those others have similar damage output” which is …an utterly strange view. Sure, Grail Knight may not be as insanely tanky as WP, he doesnt have the consistent DPS of slayer and he doesnt have the extreme burst potential of a dagger shade. What he has, is a remarkable balance. He might lagg behind in one or even two areas but he beats whoever he compares to in everything else.
Warrior priest beats him in durability but absolutely cant match the damage output, slayer beats him in standard DPS but cant match the constant drunken potion rampages. Shade can beat him in monster burst but is nowhere near so good generally.
I mean, its utterly simple to prove it all, at least for pc, all one has to do is go to modded and spawn 10 marauders, check how much time WP/dagger shade needs to kill em frontally. They are both slower than both slayer and GK.
Then compare str pot M&S GK to Slayer, note that he does it faster. Compare how much damage a slayer with dual/greataxes and a speed pot+shrapnel does against a fighting a moving monster vs a shrapnel + conc pot GK. Note that GK will have done a lot more when the pot goes out.
If talking needing help, one could easily state that slayer needs a lot of help to maximize damage against monsters because too much DPS and he gets aggro, most of them will then definitely disrupt his attacks and cut the damage. This kinda thing is similar to why you claimed GK wasnt good at boss kills. Because he “needs help”.
My thinking has reasoning behind it beyond “because i say so”. It´s not subjective that dagger shade doesnt like dealing with mixed hordes, she has no cleave, low stagger and range. Not subjective. This is why vast majority of Shade´s also use SnD. Its also not subjective that warrior priest cant one or even twoshot cata CW´s, or even raiders, no matter what he does, let alone, use an item or two in normal cata to shredd a monster’s healthbar.
All these can be proven, little of yours can be except a few like “Grail Knight ability is not a good panic button if you stand in the middle of an enemy army”.
Lets get this straight, you made a statement about the state of GK, i and others responded with refusal to the premise of that statement. You then proceed to drop a long as comment reasoning why we are wrong before going into “i dont wana talk about it anymore” before going “i already made my statement in that other thread”.
You raised the thread yourself first? If you did not think it relevant, why raise it if you do not stand for what you wrote or consider it relevant?
You tell me, what did i read incorrectly? Because everything i asked you about, you have already stated somewhere in either comments here in this thread or in one you made yourself that you mentioned first as well.
Simply for 6 days I didn’t join the forum
I didn’t specified wich ones but yep, I already said that GK is bad when compared wich others careers wich can do his job just better