I dont want to say, that i’ve been saying that this would happen pre-release
but I’ve been saying that this would happen…
No way devs can fix this. Just try to find players on vermintide discord channel. There is a lot of people
How can people kick based on level if level is hidden?
Whatever man. People will kick because you are not playing with x career with y weapon loadout which is the current "meta"or any bullshit they want.
Any voting system is exploitable.
Sorry, I want to be proud of my level, and not to hide it. I hope that they will add somekind of master level for whole account. Like it was in V1. If they wont be able to see your level they will kick you for something else. For playing Slayer for example ^^^
This topic is not about kicking in general, but kicking in due to level. Your post was in the context of this topic and as such obviously false. If you make obviously false statements, expect to be corrected.
Besides you being “proud of your level” has no bearing if the developers can do anything about the issue. It’s an argument against hiding the level, but stating it’s outside their capabilities is blatantly false.
Any voting system is exploitable.
Any system is potentially exploitable. This is not a convincing argument against trying to fix those exploits and/or to minimize their effect.
Don’t worry, just keep trying. Most people don’t have a lcue how the power level even works
I can’t wait for the QOL mod that allows me to use host kick 
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i just want it so bots are smart enough that i can probably solo champion as any character and still get books etc… I’m tired of the pissing contest over the scoreboard… and the constant cry for more nerfs on everything all the time because of it. game felt like it was mostly in a good place at the end of open beta with the exception of a few much needed changes (like the damage adjustment… that was one the few good things they did) what they ended up doing because of all the complaining and accusations of everything being OP because someone had a bruised ego from not taking top score at something on the scoreboard… not a fan. I’m very disappointed with what they did to most heroes. I mean, if i play bardin’s third career path and outdamage a sienna people are going to get so butthurt that they reduce him to only be able to headbutt stuff for potato… not even a number… just potatoes. Wouldn’t want to endorse that, so playing with bots at least spares random people who are easily butthurt by not having the top numbers from having to think that something might need even more nerfs.
You’re trolling right?
considering I have seen this happen in other games with a vote kick function… truth.
it would be nice if what he said was just trolling but i have seen otherwise first hand. Vote kicks have been abused pretty much since forever. Left 4 dead is one example. in versus mode people would often play with 2 friends and kick any fourth player that joined because the bot was better at reacting to specials. This is just one such example.
When someone starts a kickvote I will start to kickvote the person who started the first kickvote after the first one ends.
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You can super easily solo a fast map on recruit few times if you think you are ready for veteran+ to get that lev 4-5 where it’s totally ok to play veteran. I personally don’t play harder difficulties with 1 lev players because of past bad experiences. I also leveled my toons like I wrote above just out of courtesy to other players. That’s just how it goes, just put in some effort to convince other players.
You can’t force other players to play with you when they don’t want to - no matter their reason.
The fix would be something along the lines of not allowing characters bellow level 10 to play Veteran, bellow 20 Champion, bellow 30 Legend. This would decrease the number of kicks, because low level players wouldn’t be able to join.
Even if the level 1 player is some kind of godly master champion of Vermintide they still perform worse than they would with a higher level character and talents.
The real issue with vote kicking is doing it mid run wasting that person’s time, the lobby kicking is fine even if not socially just.
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Of course, but is that a reason to kick? Because they are not optimal. Wouldn’t the same be true for everyone that didn’t have maxed out levels & stats?
The fix would be something along the lines of not allowing characters bellow level 10 to play Veteran, bellow 20 Champion, bellow 30 Legend.
This “breaks” being able to play said difficulties with a lower level character. There’s a trade off.
You can’t force other players to play with you when they don’t want to - no matter their reason.
You can avoid giving them the information to discriminate against people they have a bias against. If you hide the character level then there is no way they can kick you base on that. Consequently you CAN “force” people who don’t like playing with low level characters to play with them. Well the alternative for them is to not play at all or play in a private game. Same way racist or sexist people have no way to avoid playing with demographic they are bigoted against.
Quite sad, in vt1 everybody played together to win a map. Now in vt2 this principle seems abandoned like in most online games these days…
Although I kick lvl30 players who rush off not playing as a team rather than kicking a lvl 1 player (most times people are still good).
Which one seems more reasonable to you:
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Three players are forced to carry a low level player for 30 minutes - can do nothing about it.
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One player who wants to play the higher difficulty as soon as possible being kicked after 30 sec - having the option to level up to avoid the issue or they can try to find a lobby where the others would not mind their level.
Another possible fix would be to allow the host to set the level range they are looking for - which would avoid the vote kicks even better.
Forcing two groups of players who don’t want to play together is always a bad idea. Better keep them away from one another.
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and yet i’ve still managed to hold my own and then some, even outplaying level 15+ characters as a level 1-3 in veteran lol… when you’ve leveled other stuff and can have around 250 hero power as a level 1 as a different hero you can do veteran just fine. all my other characters after the first were leveled to 10 and above exclusively in veteran without issue. I was only kicked from a game once through the process, and there wasn’t even a vote (so far as i could tell) it just said “you have been removed from the game.”
shrug
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im happy to have gotten all my chars to 12 in preorder beta…
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From level 1 to 30 you get 290 hero power, each point of hero power gives 0.2% more damage.
That means you are dealing nearly 60% less damage. not including things like Cleave,stagger, properties, traits missing on weps and talents you are more then 100% down in usefulness compared to other equally levelled players.
Don’t get upset when people want to play with people who are going to equally carry their weight. especially with the current way game is set up where if you lose you get nothing. They don’t want to risk it.