Just fix it already.
The majority of players want good feedback on how they did, dont care at all or at least is curious about killcount.
The “socalled Toxic scoreboarders” dont exsist, they never did. Stop being woke idiots and finally give us the damn game you promiced.
Add a scoreboard, make it optional if anyone dont want to see it, they can tick a box in options.
Oh, and implement red items and A DAMN STORY after lvl 30 -.-
If you really want it take the mod, most people don’t care about it
Strongly disagree, it’s a common feature in any game, it was in all tide games. Mods providing basic QoL and features that should be in the game is a shame for devs. Want reroll - take mod, want scroeboard - take mod, want to have hotkey for a shop/map - take mod. Like what’s next, want to rebind keys - take mod?
For that I want FS to do it in game from base, but scoreboard isn’t a QoL, heck most people who use the mod are quite annoying to play with
How do you know that “most” of them are annoying, lol. I have 1200 hours, and been using scoreboard since this mod has arrived, and never seen something like “look at me nubs. top damage weee” in chat. Ant it never was a regular thing in any tide games before. Don’t care - toggle off, care - toggle on, this is what accessibility is about.
You have like some tablet above people that says “scoreboard persone”? Can i have it too?
It shouldn’t be optional.
Unless people see stats of how they perform, they have no idea of their actual performance, and will likely overestimate their own skill and their value to the team (as always, there are a few exceptions, but that is beside the point).
When people do not see a scoreboard, they do not have the ability to select an appropriate difficulty based on their own performance.
When people see a scoreboard, they are not guaranteed to make a reasonable choice, but at least they are enabled to do so.
yeah lets dicuss the same things for the third time Wooo! better yet, repeat it 1to1! amazing
The existence of a mod does not excuse the devs for not implementing the feature, especially when it’s a “behond industry standard” feature to have.
The only way a game can get away with not having such a feature is if there’s a really damn good reason to not have it.
“Very few players use it to be toxic” is no such reason.
Not only have I only ever heard of someone else being toxic using the scoreboard (in 2K hours of both VT2 and DT), the people that are being toxic by reading stats off of a scoreboard were going to be toxic even if the scoreboard wasn’t there.
The only involvement that I ever had with toxic idiots and the scoreboard was them being toxic to me for arbitrary reasons and then me telling them that they should shut it because they were being useless and I used the numbers to back it up.
You tell me if that’s being toxic but we all know what the real answer to this is 
Yes, this is very much so true. There are people to this day defending the exclusion of the scoreboard on reddit and it’s just so damn funny to see them have nothing but the dumbest reasons for justifying their awful takes lmfao
Maybe they should just use good ol fashioned democracy. Put a poll in the launcher.
1.) Do you want a score board?
2.) Do you feel the score board betters, or worsens, team based game play?
3.) Have you experienced “toxic” behaviour from someone due to the score board?
4.) Are you satisfied with the crafting system?
(Needed to sneak that in there)
Then they can see if it’s worth implementing or not, and whether they need a middle ground, or an opt in vs opt out solution, or to disable chats and voice while the score board is up, or the score board is only available through a history log while in the mourning star, or something.
Well yes… but no, if there will be a scorebored such people will toggle off it on purpose which means they probably know their true skill level. Even if someone will say like “thank me for carrying, nubs” you alway can parry such toxicity by voicing his puny score. So toggable option is ok.
As long as it is always on, nothing can be blamed on ignorance.
When you know your own performance, and you know that everyone else can see your performance, people are less likely to claim that they “carried the scrubs” when they are actually a scrub themselves.
People often get emotional and then act irrationally, based on their emotions.
When they are forced to see that it is actually them, who performs bad, they will less likely blame their teammates.
Honestly - I would prefer the scoreboard to stay away. I never experienced toxic Chat behaviour that could be attributed to a scoreboard BUT a scoreboard introduces a level of competition into a pure coop game that shouldn’t have a place there. (Deliberate Kill stealing/line of fire blocking, not supporting comrades to better one’s own score and similar behaviour)
I‘m a mediocre player and I never had any illusions about when I weren’t at my peak, when a build didn’t work as intended are even when I actually was hard carried.
What I wouldn’t mind is a team scoreboard giving feedback how the group as a hole performed.
if your a cooperative person you already in the 10% in my book
In this game its your skills as a team player that matters the most, that cant be shown on a score board.
In my experience with vermintide the score board often makes people play worse, doing dumb things to chase the ”green circles”.
For me it actually feels like a relief they skipped it.
There is the mod if you really want it, its easy to install.
Any kind of official scoreboard will be inferior to the modded scoreboard. The sheer level of detail and customisation available in the modded scoreboard is not industry standard and never has been, not even vermintide had close to the level of detail and customisation that the DT scoreboard mod has. Fatshark will never ever make a scoreboard like that. Full stop.
So the people who care about this stuff enough to complain will take one look at the official scoreboard, then download the modded scoreboard instead. LOL.
Priorities people.
Weapon crafting redesign + new content >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official scoreboard that is inferior to the scoreboard mod.
Sorry to be a downer, but I don’t want a scoreboard.
The only people who seem to want it, are the ones who use it to talk **** about other people. I’d like to see my own performance post match, but there is no reason to compare it to others.
For example, there is a post in Feedback from yesterday called “Auric mission rewards”, take a moment to look at what he says. That is a large portion of people, who think that because they do big damage, they are best. They deserve more, and everyone else is trash.
YOU might not be that guy, but they exist, and they make the games hell for other people.
Either ask for personal stats, or just use the mod. (though if enough people complain that people using the mod are being toxic, it’ll be removed eventually.)
I would assume now, that every ogryn player choose to play it, because they want to be more efficient at LoS blocking. To get more kills for scoreboard, by preventing teammates from stealing them.
Thanks for opening my eyes.
Gonna try this in my next maelstrom run, to see how it goes.
I agree with everything you said…
Indeed.
And what you describe can happen… however, lot of good players use already a scoreboard.
I use it, not to see others performances, but to see my perf with a build…
Having an official scoreboard is different. We would have stats displayed from the datas of the server.
Actually the scoreboard registers everything as temporary. At the end it displays infos.
It means that if you are disconnected, you loose the stats. It would not happen if the scoreboard would be made from server datas.
Also, I am sure they could bring us lot of interesting datas, that we don’t have with the mod.