You can even chain stagger and kill 10 storms by push , like you would do with sword and shield.
Now once again it is part of a wider issue, kind of when crobill was added: it mostly outshine other kruber weapon because they are not great.
Ease fix would be just lower stagger power and stagger cleave and it will be enough to not make it just faster 2hd hammer with great pokes
Imho you don’t play with Spear or Halberd. Halberd is much stronger than Spear (against armors)… despite this, Halberd needs some stagger. It’s an heavy and relatively slow weapon, but sometimes enemies are just immune to its hits.
Because it’s a jack of all trades… good for everything, the best in nothing. Its armor damage is just decent, Halberd and Exe are better. Exe moreover does more damage toward an “open” horde. Spear has a great crowd control but needs stamina, etc etc…
p.s during its thrust attack, other enemies can hit you.
But I repeat: Halberd is an heavy and relatively slow weapon… but sometimes enemies are just immune to its attacks. The problem isn’t Spear… but that some heavy weapons just haven’t stagger.
Halberd is literally weaker against armor than spear. Halberd need stamina spear dont need to use stamina at all, you have such long range with that weapon that even slowest heavy is safe option.
I did both fk and merc 100 legends with halberd and i can say without problem that halberd is stamina heavy weapon and spear can often safe itself without need of stamina even when pinned because of absurd stagger
I have played Krub enough too and I can tell that Halberd is stronger against armors. And that Spear must use stamina.
And anyway I repeat: it would be totally better buff Halberd, I’m tired (and Steam reviews, Reddit, old beta section, feedback section, polls say I’m not the only one) about these hordes like meat wall immune to stagger. Heavy weapons like Halber should have more stagger. If we nerf that (few) weapons that can actually stagger, we will have a totally boring game (yeah, even more than now) where we beat a wall with a spoon.
Your opinion of spear’s armor damage is… interesting. Sure, everything kills armor relatively quickly on legend. However, spear’s armor damage is quite a bit lower than halberd or x sword. Also, it does less damage to hordes. Like, you can test this stuff. I’m not sure why it’s something you are arguing about, tbh. I think spear is better, especially for high difficulty content. That doesn’t mean it’s the best damage dealer, though.
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Obviously not the best damage dealer. But you can not compare stat to stat. You compare weapon as a whole and what it ca achieve. And he can do everything pretty well while being the safest
xSword struggles against shield which are now legion.
Hallberd suffer against 2 storms and is unreliable against horde, the two things that are most common than ever.
What is the struggle of spear? Sure it takes longer to kill an isolated CW, but once it is mixed with horde, spear safety and range give it a huge advantage over xSword or hallberd, so much more consistency which translates into dps
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I didn’t said its best damage dealer, Its better at armor killing than halberd in every situation.
Its great or excellent in every term of weapon, have better push (because 180 radius and 2hd hammer profile of stagger) have best range, great mobility, quite fast, higher stamina than most weapons, and easiest and without nonsense moves attack pattern (and dont forget it make you move faster with attacks)
Its maybe not best dps but its not open to attacks when dealing heavy (and ease to do headshot) damage pokes
How any other weapon can compete with it (even shields have problem on its own playground)
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I have to say I wouldn’t play Kruber if it wasn’t for the spear cause all his other weapons just bleah. So slow so sluggish, spear is just kind of amazing. I don’t have a lot of play to back it up but spear mercenary makes such a stable team centre with THP range and damage dealing capacity on all types. Seems a little OP to me, even though I’m loath to see it nerfed in any way since its the only Kruber weapon my play style synergies with.
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Indeed.
Pretty much all kruber weapon need a buff, but spear which need a slight nerf
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But Only a slight one, because… its really satisfying to use., It really minces hordes like it should for the build I feel Mercenray fills, its so satisfying to head-shot armored like it always should be for all weapons and its useful for specials, which at the end of the day any weapon that is not might as well not have it as an option. If you can’t deal with specials your not really viable co-op be damned.
Specials are run enders everyone needs to be able to deal with them to some degree and any weapon that can’t had better fill some amazing niche to compensate.
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Played at high levels, Exe Sword is the strongest Merch weapons. Halberd has without doubt its niche… But it also would need some love to its stagger power. In order to avoid another 2h Sword (nerfed under the ground) we should FIRST start to buff some weapons… And only then see if the “”“most famous ones”"" are still stronger.
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Agreed, make the lame weapons good before we make the amazing weapons trash. Work towards a baseline not towards a bottom line.
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Halberd is actually very safe against mixed elites. Just push stab light attack. Also push stab light attack 2 shots SV just like spear and it’s faster. How again is spear better armor damage? And if you have a problem w/ 2 SV with a halberd, that is not halberd’s fault. 5-6 SV w/ halberd is pretty unsafe, though. That’s why spear is better overall, it’s just not better damage. It is better control as I said from the start.
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You can damage sv with spear push attack, while staggering them. So it is more damage simply because you can attack, where hallebard gives you no option but to run for you life so no damage.
Stagger =/= damage. You can stagger SVs, but the damage is ridiculously low. For this reason it’s enough to give to Halberd more stagger (Halberd has the same stagger power as it was a little 1h weapon) to have them perfectly balanced.
Stagger translate to damage because you gain consistency, and safety which allow to hit more frequently. And theoretically, you gain damage from the stagger itself
Stagger is one thing. Damage is another one.
I can stagger a CW usinga a shield, but there must be another player that kill it with an armor piercing weapon. Exactly what happens with Spear. Spear can’t do everything, for this reason must not be nerfed (instead other weapons like Halberd must be slightly buffed).
I think his point was that staggering enemy allow you to attack safely (yourself), where your halberd can’t. So if you have a shield and stagger enemy, you can indeed attack him (yourself without waiting for another to do it) without retaliation.