I think spear is Kruber’s best weapon. The OP comes from the push though. Not the damage. The push has the same stagger strength as a shield push. Just because it’s his best, doesn’t mean it’s the highest damage, though. X-sword and halberd both have better damage output than spear when played at a high level. To say spear does good armor damage on the body is false. Even it’s headshot damage isn’t that great on merc. However, the control and ease of use is absolutely OP. And it has really strong horde clear and elite clear compared to other weapons that provide similar control.
*Flame sword A tier? Bruh last i checked this thing does like 5-10 damage to armored targets, i even made a post on how terrible that is.
Legend CW´s have 120 HP you know, or at least they used to, might have changed.
*Elf spear is worlds, wooooorlds better than that useless trash of a 1handed sword, if you are good at moving around and headshots then there is probably no weapon that has so much safety and lethality at once as the spear.
The only lacking aspect is horde clear but it´s immense blockpush area and excellent push-attack make up for that nicely, in addition to seemingly having a high base crit chance.
*That sword meanwhile…sure it´s mobile but the hordeclear on it is awful these days unless you dont score rows off crits in a chain whenever you go to do so, and it´s heavy attacks doesn’t even stagger stormvermin well anymore.
(Try to clear a beastman wave with it without taking damage or taking ages, i dare you, i double dare you :c )
Similarly its damage is far from impressive, it cannot utilize the assassin or the stagger talents well while lacking the high power of say the glaive thus it´s just …medicore or even bad, mobility does not matter if enemies spawn faster than you can clear them.
¨*Elf Greatsword meanwhile suffers from lacking both damage and stagger on its actual attacks but it has a serious lot of it pumped into its push-attack, being able to keep hordes staggered for days while you hit a good few of them with decent cleave makes it workable but not really great.
Redeeming qualities are the of easy to use heavy attack that does good damage on bigger targets while keeping a decent balance of cleave and mobility, it´s fairly rare for a 2hander to have all these traits.
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The rest i either agree with or dont possess sufficient knowledge to really make any wise comments on.
Flame sword on BW does really strong damage on everything outside of CW. You just spam heavy 1 w/ famished flames. Murder everything. Especially beast hordes.
Aight that is a interesting talent and it does make flame sword viable on battle wizard, 24 damage over 3 quick ticks on the armored dummy shows a lot of promise.
Not so much for unchained still though .
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Yeah, probably only for control on UC.
151,75 on legend now, 248,5 on cata.
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I do not really understand why elven sword had their combo changed. Two overheads into swipe was somewhat reasonable. Change was kinda nerf to already sucky weapon. And this came to spamming h1 l3. And h3 wich previously was h2 kinda non existent
I have problem with that l3 attack. It feels unnatural. Animation is awful
I quite like the 1H axe on Hand Maiden. Unlimited dodge, good dodge distance and with the 15% atk speed bonus, it hits hard and fast. Works really well against beastmen hordes and wrecks all elites including CWs. If hordes get dicey, there is always hagbane.
1H axe has been my go to on Hand Maiden on Legend+ since the patch.
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sure weapon that can delete every armored unit(outside cw) without any problem with 2 heavies is that are quite fast and have absurd range have problem with armored
It is not wrong if it is numbers
I don’t see any inherent numbers.
With huntsman 50% hs, spear l1 HS os fanatics. H1 HS os marauder. H1 hs crit os storm with a bit of margin.
And you can block cancel first light to improve quite considerably your dps…
Go modded spawn mob, and look for yourself with damage number mod
Numbers aren’t the only things. We must see also attack patterns, how it’s easy score an headshot, etc etc… anyway I can see again, how I have already seen. No problem. But if you tell me that Spear has better armor damage than Halberd… well, we play different game.
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Spear is way more consistent that halberd, mainly thx to it s ability to stagger a whole pack of storms,as you said, numbers aren’t the only thing… And you can solo hordes, escape a lot of bad situation, one shot packmasters, Bully assassins, in all safety
Don’t get me wrong, spear is the first weapon I really like on kruber (honourable mention to 2hsword before patch).
But I m not biased to the point to not recognise that it may be a bit too strong.
Btw head shoting is really easy, especially if you take advantage of its huge range.
I think we indeed play a different game 
Back to the topic, axes are great, even if for once elf one is kinda worse because of the removed 10% crits.
2hs elf is kind of bad too because of lack of stagger and not so great armor. But crits build using its push attack are fun.
Elf spear is quite good too, but has a learning curve to hs reliably.
Crobill is still really good because it is the best armor percing weapon sienna has access to.
M&S is bad. Does nothing really well.
1h hammer need more cleave, it is quite bad ATM too.
Shield and spear is awesome, and deals with everything very well. It s dodge is better than other shield , enhanced even more by handmaiden.
Flail should be moved with sienna mace to f tier
Deleted my comment, am wrong
If Flame Sword is high tier in only a one specific instance, it either needs to be moved to bottom tier or 1H axe needs to move up several tiers, as I mentioned that it is really good for 2 specific cases. Let’s keep consistency here.
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I thought you were talking about “numbers” in order to say that Halberd has less armor damage… instead armor damage is a real Halberd advantage, and it’s enough to give it a niche/utility.
Then I repeat, there will be always a stronger weapon than another. If you nerf Spear, there will be another stronger weapon… we can’t nerf the entire game. The important thing is that it must be only “strong” and not overpower.
A weapon is overpower when it can do everything better that any other weapon, and this doesn’t happen with Spear, because it’s weak against armors, because to do a good crowd control it must consume stamina, because its combo against hordes (light, H2) has also a bad thrust attack.
But if I can say more, honestly I would like a little more stagger for Halberd, instead nerfing Spear.
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But is does really good damage against armor, get easy crowd control because stagger is so huge that the thrust attack is in fact nice because it add single target damage. I play spear without SS nor any attack speed bonus, and it is juste perfect
I see you clearly didnt played spear or halberd enough
halberd having 1/10 more ap than spear but being slower and harder to aim, yeah its armor killer.
spaer having stagger of 2hd hammer and ridiculous fast
Being better at what halberd specialised, at horde cleaning.
Yeah no, they need to change spear stagger and stagger cleave its joke