At Cata you can’t just stagger armored enemies in order to attack them safely for 5 mins to kill them. You must kill fast, or you will be overwhelmed. You can’t kill quickly an armored guy with Spear.
Depends on armored enemies mostly. If I can stagger stormvermins in cataclysm 3 with a shield, that should be doable with the spear and good properties in cataclysm 1.
Sure. With Spear you can stagger a SV (anyway not so well like Shields or 2H hammer can do), but I meant another thing.
My point is: Spear can’t do everything. Exactly like Shields, Spear can stagger, but it has a low damage vs armors. So you need a teammate that kill armoured enemies for you. So you can’t do everything by yourself.
Actually its stagger better than 2h hammer 
And its have amazing damage, its have higher dps on armor than halberd
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@Perteks honestly I don’t know if you hate me or if you hate Kruber, but could you stop yourself saying false things? Or I’m really forced to flag your post for spam.
This isn’t true. If you want stagger an horde with 2h Hammer, you can spam heavy attacks. Every heavy attack has 22,63 stagger value.
If you want do the same thing with Spear, you must alternate a light attack (with a ridiculously low stagger power and a thrust animation) and an heavy attack, wich has 22,63 as 2h Hammer.
This means that, with the hammer, you apply 22,63 of stagger with every attack. While, whit Spear, you apply 22,63 of stagger ONLY on 50% of your attacks. Moreover, during the thrust light attack, you can be hit.
I have used a power 5 without properties Spear and Halberd.
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Halberd (push attack, light attack):
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Headshot: 2350 + 2825 (= 5175);
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Bodyshot: 1575 + 1875 (= 3450);
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Spear (heavy attack, light attack):
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Headshot: 3125 + 1175 (= 4300);
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Bodyshot: 1225 + 450 (= 1675);
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Already Halberd has objectively a better armor damage (5175 vs 4300 and 3450 vs 1675), but there are other important factors:
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Halberd combo is faster, so even more dps;
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Halberd can score an headshot much more easily;
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if Halberd hits the body, it still does a decent damage; if Spear hits the body, its damage is very low.
No mass limit=better stagger, especially against beastmens where it is really noticeable (hammer just bounce)
Light attack can cancel stormvermine charge from high distance.
And again you just consider that you have all you time to pick a single target while it isn’t the case most of the time. Finally you deal damage with push attack against armored while staggering them. (Even in overhead. ) If you don’t need to block or dodge you achieve better dps because you can just attack. Now, should hallberd stagger (or elf 2hsword) yes. But until that spear is just way better.
You are taking things out of context and discarding some huge advantages of the spear: mobility and reach.
But let’s see it another way: if hallebard stagger was increased a bit to be able to stagger storm reliably, outside overheads. Would you take it over the spear?
I doubt it, but we shall see once hallberd gets buffed
I’m talking about what can be objective, in order to give a real feedback to Fatshark.
Honestly I haven’t never seen a 2h Hammer bounces against an horde. While that Spear has high stagger only on half of its attacks is true.
The key is that you can’t do everything both with Spear and Halberd. For this reason both aren’t op and both don’t need a nerf. Spear can control more armored enemies, but you will do low damage, so a teammate must help you (if you want tell to me that, at Cata, you can kill quickly SV and CW with Spear… I respect your opinion but I also think we play a different game, as already said). Halberd has a poor control, but it can do a good damage toward an armored enemy (while a teammate does crowd control, stopping other enemies). Both Spear and Halberd need teamplay and have weakpoins.
(But I repeat, imho Halberd would need some little love).
Honestly I would like just to see an Halberd that can stagger infantry. During first light attack (that one you must spam to fight an horde) I can’t stagger well not even some stup*d rats 
Lol… 
Yeah but you forgot that spear is way faster and that alternating is still faster than hammer heavies (and have bigger range)
And you can be hit charging heavy attack for 2hd hammer way more often than alternating light-heavy on spear like amazingly way more
And lol halberd scoring headshots easier? 
hahaha good joke, pinpoint accuracy vs swipe from up xD
You can do everything with spear because its have good AP dmg ease headshots stagger everything (gl staggering SV and CW with halberd) amazing CC and very good CC damage (because its completly horizontal and very ease to headshot on it) you can even do both heavies for killing priority targets in horde or spam heavy pokes to fast kill anything without using stamina at all.
If halberd had bigger stagger then it would be ok now its outshined on all fronts
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You talk about opinions, I talk about facts. I find much faster and safer spam 2H hammer heavy attacks, instead to alternate Spear attacks.
The only subjective thing that I have said, it’s that Halberd can score headshot easily. But I have done tons of tries. With Halberd it’s enough put the crosshairs on the enemy’s centre. While with Spear sometimes I can’t just hit the head, everywhere I aim. Or how, after the first Spear’s hit, the enemy get staggered and to hit the head with the second one, it’s pretty random.
But I repeat, you could find easier score an headshot with Spear; this is the only subjective thing. The rest are real facts.
Spear is a great defensive and crowd control (but must use stamina) weapon, but it can’t do everything. As I have said with objective evidence, its damage vs armors is pretty bad.
The point is this: Halberd has still its niche (as written, that you like it or not, its damage toward armors is higher) but it would need some love to its stagger power… so buff Halberd instead nerfing Spear… or soon we will fight with bare hands.
Just to be clear, nearly anything can stagger SV? Don’t dual daggers stagger them? Pretty much anything knocks them around. And CWs can just be chain staggered with headshots. I personally think the spear and Ex Sword are both in a good place. Halberd could use a slight buff. All the rest of his weapons could use a bigger buff to get them up to 2.0
Some weapons like shields have a place now with a certain play style. Then you have the handgun on both kruber and Bardin which needs some love.
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You also talke about opinion, and once again you take numbers from dummy, and not the field.
Muck like irl, when you learn something at school but really and field specificity are so much different. During a horde you can not just safely target armored on any kruber weapon, besides spear. And once one or two shield are present, rip exe. Not to mention mobility and the need to push your way through a horde.
You said it yourself…
Spear outshine every other kruber melee weapon.
And some will need huge buff to get on par.
At that point they will all be too strong.
Spear doesn’t need attack speed,so no Property or trait waisted. Finally, in matter of facts, you don’t need stamina against horde. You simply dodge during the light attack… Push attack is the candy that make it even more safe. Not to mention the diag attack pattern of hallebard need stamina to push thoose not hit…
Taking one of the best weapon in the game to say everything does stagger sv is a bit low. And about that,
A lot actually can’t, especially in running or overhead attack.
I agree about exe and his other weapons, but spear which is one of the best weapon in the game.
But I think the experience greatly differs if using it on huntsman or mercenary. The huntsman 50% bonus headshot damage is amazing with spear, it gives a lot of breakpoints, especially when crowd clearing.
I meant light attacks with the DD, perhaps it’s only on crits. But since WoM, SV feel like bobble dolls. They just get bounced all over the place by everything.
Not everything, but yeah, they are a bit on the punching bag side.
Nope, I talk about objective facts and field experience.
As I have already said, with Spear, you can do a good control but you can’t do a great damage toward armors. You need a teammate that kills them for you. You can’t do everything with Spear.
I repeat: the point isn’t “Halberd vs Spear” but “Spear does NOT need a nerf”, because, as written above, you can’t do everything. It has pro and cons compared with other Krub’s weapons.
Halberd has still its niche; and yes, if you have a teammate that does crowd control, you can target a single armoured enemy… indeed most AP weapons are single-target (exactly like Spear, you need help from a teammate).
Anyway Halberd, like many other weapons, need more stagger. Another example is Elf Spear. We have 2h weapons that stagger enemies like a little kitchen knife. This makes the game boring, as beating a wall with a spoon.
Well if field experience is fact then yes you do pretty well against armor, and you don’t need stamina. I won’t repost this picture of Fow Cata but a lot of the CW were done with spear.
I meant overhead animation SV because only then he have high stagger resist and any other times its not worth mentioning
Honestly I still think that Spear has a very poor armor damage… but, well, there is no problem to have different opinion.
Just for you outside of dire situations or just my spasms I didnt use pushes for spear and still could have no problem with hordes, or armored, with pushes it would be even easier.
(and my aim is horrible overall it was quite bad run xd)
https://youtu.be/lLlQfPLAtlk (you will need probably to wait for upload )
Point me where spear need stamina for crowd control ?