the scoreboard has been invaluable for me to assess my builds and see if they are performing the way I want them to. This is extremely important, factual feedback.
I don’t need a scoreboard to tell if someone isn’t pulling their weight or performing poorly. It’s very easy to identify this during the game. If I was a toxic player, I wouldn’t need a scoreboard to tell them so. Toxic people factually are toxic regardless of what avenue they choose to be toxic with. The 1 toxic person I played with was vocal in the chat box during the match - not in the post-match screen.
If people are concerned about others playing like fools because they are being circle chasers, just change the format of the scoreboard or only display personal stats. There have been plenty of good examples throughout the year people have suggested that completely circumnavigate this problem.
The arguments against scoreboard IMO hold almost no factual value. The vast majority of players benefit from having a scoreboard. But, it’s just not worth arguing anymore because of how easy it is to get the mod. However, that being said, XBOX players now are SOOL. So I can see there being a reason to want this as a base feature of the game.
This, I don’t give a crap about how other people’s stats look on a scoreboard - if you’re a liability to the team and it’s making the game harder for everyone else, people are gonna be frustrated with you long before the moment comes where a scoreboard could pop up.
It has nothing to do with that, I just wanna know how I did in comparison with the rest of the team.
I know what I experienced, I trashed mobs all day long, sniped specials for days!
But was it actually as good as I remember or did everyone else do more than me?
How can I improve my build and change my playstyle to pull my weight better?
This is why I feel like a scoreboard just belongs in the kind of game, it’s very vague an unsatisfying to have no idea how the round went at the end.
Ohh man, if they kept the stance of “no mods”. I feel the game would’ve dropped to sub 1k players “died” before the most recent major patch dropped. It would’ve hurt them so much to keep that stance
We don’t need a scoreboard. I always hated being teamed up with people in Vermintide who just sprint ahead trying to kill everything before everyone else just so they can feel like they are somehow better than the rest of the team who actually worked together and won the game. I’m tired of needing to carry those people when things get tough by fighting through the mobs to rez them just so they can sprint off again to make up for the loss of kill numbers while they were out.
Scoreboards were toxic and Fatshark can leave them in hell where they belong. Also ban the mod.
the thing that shock me from a similar position, is the question: “Do you think those kind of players will or would play any different with or without scoreboard?”
wich i have to admit, no certainly not.
i’m still not pro scoreboard, but now more with a whatever attitude towards it.
You weren’t around for VT2 I see.
We had a mod sanctioning system before. After two batches, it got too much work for the dev team to handle all the incoming mods and no mod ever was checked for sanctioning again.
I just want to say that adding the scoreboard mod refreshed my enthusiasm toward the game as much as, if not more than any official change that’s been made so far.
We’re 40K fans. Surely, we can handle a teensy bit of criticism if we perform badly. I can finally say “S*** Vet” for example if a Vet on the team performed really badly despite being Level 30. It’s not toxic, it’s constructive.
I come from a time where insinuations about the virtue of the maternal parentage of both teammates and opposition made up roughly 70% of all in-game communication. I can tell you that “s*** vet” is indeed toxic, and if you’re using the scoreboard for that, you’re part of the reason we don’t have one built into the game.
when vermintide 2 launched myself and others pointed out that a competitive scoreboard wasnt a good fit. it makes people play badly, gives missleading information and just generally doesnt help it just makes people play worse.
FS said as it was in now they wer enot going to remove it but they would monitor the situation.
4 years of monitoring the affects of the scooreboard later darktide launches without one.
the reasons are clear distinct and pretty easy to understand.
I agree, but I don’t particuarly care about “scoring”.
I play most nights with friends and we’re all new. If we ever have problematic nights where we’re failing a lot it’s impossible to know how much of us need to improve.
If there was atleast some kind of stat window that popped up post run, it would be easier to determine where we all stood and why we failed. For example, if I’m doing 1/10 of the damage of the group, I’d like to know so I can improve. Or if I’m dodging 1/10 of the time compared to the others, that’s an area I can focus on improving.
Without any kind of indication of where you stand in the group it’s impossible to improve or help others improve.
A score board can be exploited for the reasons people listed above, but I’m more interested in getting better at the game and there’s currently no way to measure for console players.