Honestly i think the problem with the +25% to Maniacs is that there are only a few options that are viable because the game is built around Gunners, Maniacs and Flak/Cara. Its basically mandatory to run gunner defense on curios because they can deal so much damage because of the slow/stagger/knockback nonsense that locks you into the damage, and Maniacs and Flak make up 99% of the issues in the game, Crushers being the only exception cus Maulers, just dont aim for the head and easy kills. You may build unyielding if you are going for a monstrosity hammer or something but those first 2 choices are on 90% of your weapons typically.
Removing the locks is a bandaid for the problem that would immediately give everyone options, its not a 100% fix and a better system wouldnt even need to worry about it, but it would help the current system.
And this is what we in the business call: An OMEGA-L-take
The people trying to push the “wants everything” angle are vastly misinformed on what is fun about the game and the point of the crafting system, especially now with actual talent trees and playstyle varieties. The approach of “everyone is mad because they can’t get BIS everything” completely misses the point of making builds, making weapons you like and building weapons into blessings and traits you like for your playstyle or build. Noone is even asking to roll 380s every time they buy something from Brunt’s (imo it shouldn’t go lower than 350 after you hit lvl 30 but that’s up for debate) they just don’t want to have to roll 20 times just to get one item that’s above 350 and another 80 times to get something above 350 with a decent stat spread for what they are going for. Not perfect, just good for the build/playstyle.
Would it fix everything? No, but it would give them time to make an actual crafting system instead of a gatcha machine.
#BreakTheLocks
Honestly just breaking the locks would remove a ton of the current frustrations until they rework the entire crafting system. Even just putting out a small hotfix where all they say is, “Hey we are reworking crafting, so we’re removing locks until we have a more permanent solution.”
That would instantly put so much more goodwill back into the game and the company. Because it would tell us that hey we’re finally being listened to, and that we don’t have to destroy good items because the rolls made it unusable. We don’t want our weapons instantly, having to work for it is nice. It just feels like I’m a punching bag when I put aside 10 weapons in the 370 to 380 range, roll perks for them and get nervous seeing a garbage perk, then a garbage blessing, then another garbage perk… or worse, the first perk is good and then everything else is completely unusable with my build.
I 100% agree that crafting in Darktide sucks.
There are ways to cope with this, Brunt is not one of them. Brunt is a beginner’s trap disguised as a convenience. His sole purpose is to convert your hard-won Ordo Dockets into heaps of gray garbage.
That’s not to say that you can’t occasionally get lucky with a serviceable weapon, but more often than not, you’ll spend 5-50x more than just waiting for something on the Armoury Exchange or possibly Melk’s store (not often, but it can happen).
I wrote a guide a while back explaining the most effective way I’ve found to collect level 380 weapons, but here’s the TL;DR version:
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Get all of your characters to level 30. if you’re a mad man like me, go ahead and make 5th character and level them up too for more weekly Melk bucks!
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Get the Armoury Exchange browser extension. I recommend the Firefox version now as it features better exception handling, and won’t outright break when Fatshark introduces new items. Setup filters and check the rotation as often as you can. If you see something good, log in and buy it.
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Complete the weeklies on as many characters as you can. Spend your Melk bucks on to buy weapons with T4 blessings you don’t already have, then extract them for later use. When you’ve amassed a few choice weapons, you can upgrade them with confidence, knowing that you’ll have a guaranteed 530-550 rating when they’re fully upgraded and re-rolled.
The downside to this method is waiting for the right weapons to show up in the store. The upside is that if you’re patient, you’ll save yourself a ton of resources while slowly amassing dozens of nice weapons.
Also, #BreakTheLocks
If you are waiting for a 380 to show up in either store, there’s literally almost no chance, been playing for 500 hours, I’ve seen one green 380 show up in the exchange, none in melks and gotten a handful from buying grays. I think this advice is generally useful(waiting until level 30, complete weekly contracts) but you have a better chance of finding 380s from grays off all your dockets than the storefronts. My advice is setup 3 docket curios, queue for Malice or Heresy with scriptures and spam out quick money that way, spam the grays, and use melk for blessing farming if you cant get them off upgrading your grays.
@Koranthus02 I’m sorry to hear the RNspaceGesus has not been kind to you. It’s a numbers game, and my strategy is to maximize my chances is by checking the store as often as I’m able, which has been very, very effective for me, however, your mileage may vary.
I’ve gotten so many 380s that I had to create spreadsheet to keep track of which ones I’d gotten (and had subsequently abandoned about 6 months ago):
Since then, I’ve amassed many more, and while I haven’t bothered to count them all, I would estimate I have around 150-200 level 380s across all 5 of my characters.
Most of these have come from the Armoury Exchange, a handful (maybe 5%) have come from Sire Melk. I have never seen a level 380 weapon from Brunt, but I know it’s possible as I have a RL friend who got one.
On average, about 1 a day (give or take) will show up for one of my characters. Sometimes I’ll get lucky with 2 or 3 in one rotation. In fact, I got one earlier today!
Again, this is what worked for me. I don’t know how many 380s you’ve amassed using your proposed method, but if it works, more power to you!
Hate to be the barer of bad news but some are saying that they bricked the browser extension.
It’s bricked for Chrome but Firefox has it semi-working, just the shovels, laspistol, and revolver have unlocalized names.
Apparently the shovel for vet is a combat axe but a club for Ogryn.
Anyway I have weird odds. My Ogryn gets 380s trivially but everyone else suffers.
Oh, yes, of course, everybody who wants to have fun playing video games are babies. Interesting opinion there.
Yeah
The complaints have all been aired ad infinitum at this point so
I’m just gonna say “yeah”
C’mon Fatshark you can do better than this
What an absolute potato take…
The best short term solution in my mind is this:
Add an option to the crafting menu to spend 500 Diamantine to temporarily remove all locks from an item. If you then change perks/blessings again the locks come back.
- It’s quick and easy.
- Would let players add the blessings and perks they want but require some resources.
- It would also make use the over abundance of Diamantine.
- If you want to change the weapon around again, you’d have to spend more Diamantine, so it preserves the grind and encourages you still to amass multiple copies of weapons.
- You will still need to grind for blessings.
This could be a short term solution if there is a bigger rework planned, or honestly just leave it with this and the system would be tolerable.
@Rocker_Fox the Chrome extension is broken at the moment, but the Firefox browser still works (mostly). New items are going to show their id
instead of a display name, but you can still see their item rating and figure out what the stats are:
Here’s that same item right now in game:
@Koranthus02, here’s one I got today…
…and here is it again, fully-upgraded:
As I said, it’s a numbers game. I have never gotten a 380 off of Brunt myself, HOWEVER, I would still maintain that your odds are far better off of the hourly rotation store, and I think we can both agree that it’s much cheaper to do so.
Granted, you don’t get to target specific items, such as new weapons when they’re introduced, but that’s the tradeoff…
Regardless, we can MOST CERTAINLY agree that the system sucks (in general), and also #BreakTheLocks lol
Numbers game, to be frank I’m here to play a game not work a second job. I’m glad it works for you but I’m not going to put that much insnae time in, and there is minimum 10 hours a day where I’m no where near my house nor have any kind of access to a Computer.
To be clear, I’m not endorsing the crafting or item acquisition system, to the contrary, I don’t like it either!
What I am suggesting is that it’s cheaper to buy off the Armoury Exchange as/when you’re able rather than give Brunt all of your dockets. This is objectively and demonstrably true.
This is true whether your play 40 minutes a week, or 40 hours. Case in point, I just picked up the new revolver:
It takes me all of 30 seconds to check all of my stores between matches, I saw it sitting there, so I snagged it up. For me, the rewards for doing this out-weight the absurdity of having to look to third-party tools as a compensating control, and I can totally understand if for some, it’s just too onerous.
As to Brunt, well here’s another post where someone has spent 1.5M dockets trying to get one of the new Las Pistols, and ended up with only 4 of them with 370+ base modifiers.
That means he spent 375k/pistol …
Anyway - sorry if this isn’t helpful to you, and I wish you all the best.
I mean… yes, if someone wants to swallow stones, it’s a good advice to tell them first to lubricate their throat to make it easier. So going by that, your advice of using extension is good.
Doesn’t change the fact however that who the hell would want to swallow stones in first place? Making it more convienient doesn’t solve problem.
Also, maybe I too old for that… but it’s dam sad sitting with extension just to see if RNG got something for you. It’s just sad state of the game if player does that. I would be ashamed as Fatshark developer reading your posts.