It definitely takes skill. Quite a bit of it, actually. QQ’ing while being pressured took me longer to learn than any other mechanic in the game. And it’s not just for 2HH. It’s also for fireball, halberd, K-spear, etc.
1 Like
What game bans people for animation cancelling?
2 Likes
I still don’t believe anyone can do it manually consistently during high difficulty runs, especially not while dodging and with swift slaying up.
Arguably you could with the right keybind setup. Say you put weapon swap on ALT and dodge on a mouse button.
Yea I believe that if there was some competition with grand prize being 10000$ for being able to QQ manually in C3O same way macro allows, someone would spend insane amount of time perfecting it, changing key bindings and would pull it off.
But in circumstances we have, I very much doubt that is going to happen.
2 Likes
SS Actually makes it easier, tbh. Especially on slayer. I can’t really do it on Slayer super well. But I can QQ fireball in high pressure situations because I have a lot more practice with that weapon. For Slayer, It’s actually not that difficult because you don’t need to have great timing. You can just kinda mash the buttons.
Oh and changing keybindings makes a huge difference. I bound my quickswap to an extra mouse button a long time ago.
Well with SS you have to do it super fast, because you got higher attack speed so, to get the full potential → means it’s harder.
Here you prolly mean Q cancel, not QQ cancel, which is big difference at least in my experience.
When I say, nobody can do QQ cancel consistently under high pressure, I mean QQ cancel, not Q cancel.
Yea Fireball is doable, but you are not doing melee with fireball, you’re usually not dodging while attacking etc, which is the key factor.
I think it should get removed because of these reasons and attack speed increased on something like 2h hammer, for the lights, because it’s horrible without QQ cancel and for proper QQ cancel you just need macro and most of the people don’t have access to that.
1 Like
- Anyone with a computer has access to a macro.
- The OP was about the Slayer build (I think)
- You are very often dodging while QQing fireball in OC3
- Dodging while doing QQ isn’t nearly as hard if you put Q on your mouse. The thing that makes it hard is hitting space or shift while also hitting direction keys and Q. With a little practice, you can get into a rhythm with QQing on your right hand and not have to focus on it anymore. However, it does take practice with every weapon you wanna QQ. Hence why i suck at it with 2HH QQ but can do it with fireball.
-
It’s not like you activate it in game and stuff like AHK doesn’t work well for this, at least I wasn’t able to get it working properly. So you need some other general macro soft that actually works well or get mouse with soft that works great and easy to use. Those are huge obstacles.
-
Slayer with 2x 2H Hammer is not doing QQ-Cancel, OP was talking about " 2h hammer qq cancel "
-
There are two things with this, one is that it’s not so often, it’s usually not multiple enemies etc. and second the benefit on Fireball is not so massive as it is on 2H Hammer.
-
That makes sense, I did not try that. But mainly because I need buttons on mouse and I don’t want to re-learn already learned stuff and on top of that … I can just use macro. It makes no sense to spend time on learning it in my view.
Anyway, this is super small issue compared to all the other big problems/bugs.
-
Downloading free software is a huge obstacle? It literally takes 30 seconds to DL. If you need a recommendation, Mini Mouse Macro.
-
Agreed, but several times in the thread people have referenced the 4HH build as QQ cancelling. QQ is being used as a vernacular for weapon-swap animation cancelling.
-
The benefit is that you can kill Leeches before they teleport on C3. And disagree. Depends how aggressively you use fireball or whether you swap to melee under pressure.
-
Yeah it took me a full two weeks to get the hang of it when i swapped. And My macro software didn’t work with my mouse. That’s why I learned to manual QQ lol.
-
Agreed. Fix ult targeting plz.
Well, OP wants both Q cancel and QQ cancel removed Slayer fixed and 2h hammer improved. 
Well, never heard about that soft. Did you test it ? Does it work without issues for the hammer ? I mean without stopping or somehow bugging up attacks when cpu load gets high etc ? Can you just hold the macro key and keep slamming stuff easily ? Because if it’s not working 100%, you will get rekt here and there which renders the macro useless. Also other inputs need to work fluidly, not that I click something else during use of macroed attack and it buggs out somehow.
I tried few of these softs and non worked 100%, then just decided to code ATH script and it did not work properly under all circumstances either and friend who is working as programmer wasn’t able to get it working flawlessly in 15-20min … so in my mind this sure as hell is not something that will take casual player 30 seconds to make working.
I imagine making test … getting 10 random casual players and telling em, hey guys… get me perfectly working macro for 2h hammer… that would not go well.
I also tried multiple mouse macro softwares and encounted various issues, basically only one I got working perfectly is the old Mad Catz Mouse soft and Glorious soft, but you can’t use those unless you have the mouse.
Just saying, no way this is matter of minutes for average players. Unless they are lucky and got the right mouse or keyboard macro soft.
If someone refers to double 2h hammer as QQcanceling then they have no clue what they are talking about obviously. Because QQ Cancel… two Q’s are cancelling the animaiton endpoint.
Yea it helps with this kind of “breakpoint” but I mean the attack speed boost is not so dramatic. I don’t know numbers of top of my head, but if you compare how much % you can shave off of fireball attack with QQ Cancel, it is nowhere near what you can remove from the 2h hammer.
Both are significant, but the hammer is massive overall buff.
lol, exactly.
I used to swap mouse just to get access to mouse soft that works, when I wanted to play some 2h hammer meme runs.
Yea, ofc, all of them should go. I just differentiate because Q cancel is way easier to pull off.
When I argued about this before, someone would always come and link me vid of some dual 2h hammer Slayer doing Q cancel inste of QQ cancel.
2 Likes
Mini Mouse Macro didn’t pick up my Extra Mouse Buttons. It does pick up normal mouse buttons. You can make a macro in a matter of minutes. However, it’s not a perfect macro. No Macro is perfect if your CPU tanks. However, I play on a 9 year old CPU and it’s fine 99% of the time, and if it’s not, I just go manual.
It’s not just under higher cpu load it’s other stuff as completing the chains of commands properly, being able click other stuff and not screwing up everything like switching to ranged and insta shooting etc. There is really multiple problems with getting solid macro and it is not matter of minutes, unless one got lucky and got amazing soft.
And the good macro softs I named works perfectly, under all circumstances. Flawless.
Yea, but as I said, “go manual” is not really doable well under pressure, especially not at speed macro can. Which is what makes it bad mechanic in my eyes.
1 Like
No one can go as fast as a perfect macro. That doesn’t make it a bad mechanic. That’s like saying light attacking or charge attacking is a bad mechanic because it can be done better with a macro. I.e. perfect charge timing is much more dps than scuffing the charge time. Also, no macro soft works perfectly when your pc tanks, unfortunately. If you drop to 15-20 fps your macro will be cooked.
Nothing to add. This problem reminds me of the days people used to use macros in CoD:MW to abuse semi-automatic weapons. Its abuse of the game poor mechanics/code and as close to cheating as it gets.
4 Likes
If QQ canceling is not cheating and is intended way to play, than 2h hammer is clearly overperforming and in dire need for some attack speed and damage nerfs. Just to bring it in line.
2 Likes
Not really, you don’t need any macro for light attacks and for charged it’s negligible, it would be pointless to use macro for that.
While for QQ cancel, as I mentioned many times, no way anyone comes near of what I can get out of proper macro in terms of speed, consistency and character control during QQing. (again talking about hard difficulty)
That is not what I am talking about.
If your fps drops to 15-20, then it’s issue with the pc. I don’t have those issues. What I was describing was that macro will just start making mistakes even under relatively mild load or you can’t really click to many other buttons or it gets screwed or you have to always finish the macro sequence or it will not execute correctly and you switch and shoot ranged etc.
I am telling you, no frickin way, normal player makes this work in few minutes or whatever are we talking about unless he got the lucky soft that actually works and then he will vastly overperform anyone who tries to do it manually.
So the mechanic is just dumb, because either u take the time to get the macro actually working (which might take a lot of time, if you even manage to get it working well) or… you are out of luck and the weapon is kinda garbage compared to the macro’ed version of that weapon.
4 Likes
Yeah, let’s just nerf stuff instead of fixing exploits and buffing his weaker weapons. Makes a ton of sense.