I actually just thought, war paints would be an interesting choice.
From face paint camo, to tribal markings indicative of feral worlds, some blood smears, fenrisian runes and workplace industrial smears.
Imagine going up to Da Vinci and saying “man, I really like what you did the The Last Supper, but I really wish there were more dogs so my puppy Max can feel represented. It’s a harmless addition and it would allow more people to enjoy your work!”
He would, beffuddled, but politely answer something like -“but dogs aren’t meant to be represented in my work. There is a deliberate reason why they aren’t here, or otherwise I would have added it myself.”
To which, based on the logic of the responses my comment received, he would be met with something like “oh you’re making an mound out of an ant hill. I just feel like there should be more options for people to enjoy your work.”
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He wouldn’t answer at all, he’s been dead for more than 70 years!
female ogryns is the last thing they should do asap in their game.
no even saying, majority of players doesn’t even care about female ogryns
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cringe aside…
I remember a topic of discussion that allot of folks had was on the topic of extra hair options, including longer hair vertiaties.
I myself would be partial to braided options for hair and beards.
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I strongly endorse feme Ogryn’s and I would like to see this added to the game.
Prime example of why you need to gatekeep your hobbies from people like OP and others in this thread.
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They probably look just like male ogryns, but with boobs. the same way main line humans look pretty much identical except for some fat distribution and bone structure variations.
Our sexual dimorphism by body mass ratio is like 1.15, pretty low compared to a lot of other megafauna. Gorillas are 2.37, Orangutan is 2.23, Chimpanzees are 1.29, and Bonobos are 1.36
We’re the least sexually dimorphic of the remaining great apes.
From what I remember the evolutionary selection pressure that lead to Ogryns becoming gigantic muscle-tanks was thousands of years living on extremely dangerous, very high gravity planets. There’s no reason to believe that female Ogryn wouldn’t be just as enormous and beefy as the males.
Also, it’s very funny that people are complaining about canon regarding what a female abhuman would look like, both because the answer is so obvious and because GW uses “Everything is canon but not everything is true” to hide all kinds of narrative sins. Ogryns aren’t even from a specific world, they’ve evolved numerous times on numerous worlds with similar conditions. Just say “This is what Ogryn’s look like in this sector, who knows what they look like elsewhere” and leave it at that.
I think the real problem for me, and I speak for no other, is that the topic as a “big question” doesn’t matter. It’s all as true as everything else, and all just as false/half-remembered/sort-of-true. The answer you are seeking is “Yes and no” or perhaps “Sometimes”. And for me, that’s the end of it. Now, ask us some specifics, eg can Black Templars spit acid and we can answer that one, and many others. But again note thet answer may well be “sometimes” or “it varies” or “depends”. But is it all true? Yes and no. Even though some of it is plainly contradictory? Yes and no. Do we deliberately contradict, retell with differences? Yes we do. Is the newer the stuff the truer it is? Yes and no. In some cases is it true that the older stuff is the truest? Yes and no. Maybe and sometimes. Depends and it varies. It’s a decaying universe without GPS and galaxy-wide communication, where precious facts are clung to long after they have been changed out of all recognition. Read A Canticle for Liebowitz by Walter M Miller, about monks toiling to hold onto facts in the aftermath of a nuclear war; that nails it for me. Sorry, too much splurge here. Not meant to sound stroppy. To attempt answer the initial question: What is GW’s definition of canon? Perhaps we don’t have one. Sometimes and maybe. Or perhaps we do and I’m not telling you. "
- Marc Gascoigne, a former manager of the Black Library
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Seems to me the problem for a lot of the whiners in here isn’t really that it would be non-canon or whatever (extremely flimsy and funny logic for the reasons you already pointed out), it’s that female Ogryn would basically guarantee the presence of more women that aren’t designed primarily around making puberty brained nerds horny. You can see this same mentality from a lot of the same people in the various “Why No Pretty Female Faces” threads we’ve had in the past. These people don’t need to “gatekeep the hobby”, they need to jerk off before they start gaming.
I definitely don’t think something like this should be a priority job right now, DT has way bigger problems, but there’s nothing in the lore that would specifically bar female Ogryn from being in the game. Player characters are by definition exceptional examples of whatever people exist in a game’s setting. If four random prisoners can slaughter hundreds of Nurgle cultists over about 30 minutes without breaking the lore one of those prisoners can be a big ugly Ogryn lady and the neckbeards can die mad about it.
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I never wanted to make this the priority additions list, just a thread for players to discuss cool options to expand the players ability to make their ideal freaks.
I know a few goblins who just want to be skitari skuttering about like general grievous.
But knowing what I do about game design, I just be looking at what reasonable things we can do to let players have more with what they already have. And I assumed Fatshark might appreciate hearing about what players might like in future.
Some folk just got dat skaven brain y’know?
The misses says your post gave her a good chuckle at least. she likes it.
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Wow… You and the people who liked this post actually believe this?
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Funnily enough the only “canon” female Ogryn appears to have been a penal legion soldier who was recruited in to the Inquisition for her pysker powers. So not only are Ogryn women canon but all Ogryn women in canon are literate pskyers working for the Inquisition who have a background where were part of the an IG penal legion. So much for the “but muh canon!” argument. Cassia is pretty much in the same boat as the Rejects.
“Why No Pretty Female Faces”
I love the face models in this game. Everyone looks exactly like what you’d expect people raised in hellish circumstances with barely enough food to look like. FS really nail the Grim-Darkness part there.
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Yes lol, is it seriously a controversial statement that a certain type of nerd comes out of the woodwork to complain every time their beloved media property has the nerve to include non conventionally attractive or ugly women?
Weirdly defensive reaction to my post tbh.
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Don’t mind me I’m just absolutely baffled by someone writing something so bigoted, dismissive, and oozing with hatred, that I had to ask if it was just some light-hearted fire stroking or your (and the other’s) genuinely held belief. I guess I got my answer.
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Hilarious reply but if the problem isn’t with lore limitations (several people have explained that 40k “canon” is extremely loose by a Black Library authors’ own admission and examples of female Ogryn in combat roles already exist in the lore) and it’s not sexually frustrated nerds showing their asses (apparently a “bigoted” and “hateful” idea lmfao) then what is it? “SJW virtue signaling” or some other overblown idiotic culture war nonsense?
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you do realise that this can be used to counter that whole argument?
you find one example,there are maybe a couple in the entirety of the cannon
the exception that proves the rule
analogy:
if you were to make a world war 2 movie, and said women participated in fighting, therefore half my cast consist of women, you’d be doing history a horrible disservice, by an endlessly huge margin.
i repeat what i said before, we are not meant to be the one in million with all stars aligning up to terra for our stories to work.
besides how would you justify the sheer over representation, that would end up happening.
and thats just in-universe,
lets not forget that fatshark doesn’t has the rights to change lore or introduce new lore aspects on a whim, they won’t be indroducing anything that could resemble a new modell in the table top, simply because if they were and people saw, they end up create demand for modells that don’t exist and force GW’s hand, things like that just never happen with GW unless meticulously planned and pushed from GW’s side.
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What is the rule? There’s nothing in the lore that rules that female Ogryn can’t be be in any of the number of situations that led to a DT player character ending up in the job they’re doing. The concept of canon is very loose in 40k, GW acknowledges this. Human women already serve combat roles regularly in lore and have for decades. Why would the Imperium refuse bigger, stronger abhuman women? Any canon defense for this argument is flimsy at best.
How many people do you think would play as female Ogryn? Even if they would end up being “over represented” there must be, what, a few thousand questionably sanctioned psykers aboard the Mourningstar at any given time? (probably more like a few hundred due to player numbers ha ha) We have no idea what the population distribution of Ogryn is like in any more detail than “They’re kind of rare”. Even so, it’s already an unusual situation that Grendyl is using unusual methods to combat, the game literally explains this in the opening cutscenes. It’s not like FS would be adding female space marines to the game, they’d be using a type of abhuman that already exists in the lore to do a job that they’re perfectly suited to doing. It’s the exact type of situation that could reasonably include an unusual type of character with whatever handwave explanation you want without upsetting the precious lore.
Again, they would not be introducing anything new, and the situation is purely hypothetical and not even likely to happen for several reasons before you’d even get to the possibility of stepping on GW’s toes.
Funny how a lot of people reacting negatively to the idea of female Ogryn end up not knowing the canon they think they need to gatekeep all that well, or view it more rigidly than the people who write it. I’ll ask again, if the lore defense falls apart so easily, then what is the problem? This is why I think a lot of these people just get mad at the idea of a woman they don’t want to bang.
Dont need a female ogryn.
No, there is also another one that Melta Blank (Jurgen ?) tries to woe.
Cassia is noted to be unique in the Imperium (Or at least very obscure/rare being)
Warhammer is an ever-expanding universe with a vast amount of lore, writers write what they ahve ideas for, what they want to write about. And even more importantly, they’re going to write what sells. The number of stories with female ogryn in them =/= how many female ogryn exist in the universe.
The human species is roughly 50/50 in terms of it’s gender split. Ogryn having an overwhelmingly male presence isn’t one of their noted traits.
As for asking for models that don’t exist: Female imperial guardsmen didn’t used to be standard in the kit, now they are. Didn’t stop them from existing before, at all. THe hobby is also well known for it’s brilliant kit-bashing, more model demands just means more bits for games workshop to sell. How would this be a bad thing?
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