With ds getting nerfed, more people just turn to combat blade these days. Here we can see vets using cb, zealots using cb, psykers using cb n hive scums using cb. Combat blade users can avoid most melee n ranged attacks simply because of the high mobility. During a random match, 90% of combat blade users r speed runners. And 99% of speed runners are using combat blade. This is the most toxic weapon ive ever seen. It’s clear that combat blade runners r so skilled that they see other teammates as burdens. And it’s also common to see cb runners rage quit after got caught by a hound or trapper cuz the other 3 teammates r not capable of saving them. They r just so skilled that mediocre players aint even qualified to stay close to them.
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and to a fictional stories it seems 
Combat Knife should also be nerfed, on account it is just a knife and therefore should objectively be the worst weapon, more of a mobility tool for melee-averse veterans (still plenty of them) than anything.
Nah, he’s not wrong. Before I rage quit the whole game a couple years or so ago… I was mad as hell over moblity issues.
Seem better now, but Psyker, loaded with a force staff and a force sword, is slow as molasses in january next to three zealots with knives. So is a vet with a PS and a Kantrael.
Once as a default Pskyer, had gotten pretty good with the force sword and trauma staff, I dropped with three zealots, and spent a long time clearing the map and picking up goddamn plasteel by myself because they were already at the airlock with their knives.
Had to learn a LOT about dodging hounds.
Which can’t have been fun for them, waiting 15 minutes for me at the airlock. Kind of surprised they didn’t kick me just to move on.
Had a screenshot of three little outlines in the far, far distance.
Now ever character has three +3 stamina curios, with stamina replenishment, stamina run cost reduction, and stamina regen. It’s like not having curios just so I can run enough to get my damned plasteel and get back to the group before they get whipped by the demonhost.
Heck, there’s a DARKTIDE SONG on youtube called “I hate it here” from the perspective of the vet.
"Now the zealot pulls a knife, And forgets about life…
And now his boots have made a sermon down the hall.
I say wait for coherency, he says ‘death is leniancy’
and charges like a saint into a wall.
He pulls three rooms of rot, and a crusher we forgot
Then he’s down and asking where did we all go?
I say you ran away, He said faith led the way,
I say faith can pick you up then — nice and slow.
Emperor I hate it here.
I hate it here. I hate it here.
Hold the line and watch the rear… Emperor I hate it here."
(Also has a great segment about the Psyker.
“Then her Peril climbs higher, her eyebrows catch fire,
and she says ‘this is perfectly controlled!’
Then she pops like bad artillery from sanctioned instability
and the Ogryn claps his hands because it’s gold.”
i think mobility is an issue, but it needs to be addressed in the form of a comprehensive movespeed/enemy speed rebalance and maybe a new enemy that can actually catch fast players
right now just sprinting away is too potent of a “never get hurt” strat
Yep. IIRC, before the DS was so obviously OP, Cb was the single most complained-about weapon …
Well, for being OP. Thunderhammer might have been the most complained-about, for being under-powered.
Eh, most complained about was… and still is… powersword.
Dinguses screaming to nerf it and making new accounts every three days to pretend like they are new…
Combat blade is just a bit of a whole set of problems with them not wanting us to outrun the horde so they gimp our movement except when they don’t and suddenly it radically stands out.
At this point I think fatigued sprint modifier of 0.75x should be an ogryn thing only. You can already goon enemies pretty spectacularly with just the knife, but that little detail lets you leave the entire game in the dust as zeal and scum. Psyker’s movement explosion options should get toned down too, ogg can get +20% movespeed for 3s after a range kill but you can just add it to scriers? Should be like 10%.
But compared to dueling sword knife makes some sacrifices. Chiefly ass attack range and a damage spike focused on backstabbing (and backstabbing weakspots on targets like chaos spawn is a joke).
use any weapon other than cb n ds then join a match with 3 cb speed runner zealots or hive scums
Duelling Sword is still better lol
Knife was always just extremely good, nothing has changed so far
I think knife doing less damage against armor and less cleave would make sense. But honestly it’s not even the main on classes.
Zealot: knife I stopped using for eviscerator and relic blade after changes. Sometimes just for rushing.
Psyker: force sword or force great sword
Scum: dual shivs or toxic saw
Arbitrator and Ogyrn obviously not.
Veteran: I do like knife. But also chain sword, devil claw, or duelling sword.
A weapon is only as capable as it’s wielder(s). FYI you can run away from most melee and ranged enemies with DS and other melee weapons too.
Knife bad reputation comes from the Zealots.
Honestly, for most of the life of this game, Ogryn’s best weapon was knife. The power maul was awful (it’s better now) and made you insanely slow.
And the others did low damage and made you slow-ish.
With the knife, you felt like you had a short range battle axe. (As Ogryn.)
Now, they don’t want to give us Ogryn sized weapons because Ogryn with a real battle axe would be insanely OP, so we have that weird pick instead. I know it has it’s fans but really we should be able to run the Crusher hammer on Ogryn… Or that flail from LOTR… But with a longer handle.
that nerf youre talking about (uncanny strike) was the biggest nerf for combat blades already and u can escape the enemies with many weapons dont need knife for kiting. also ive maybe seen 3-4 speedrunners in 7k hours literally nobody does that.
For Ogyrn I actually use the heaviest pick axe, just alternating lights and heavies for single attack or horde clearing. I pair it though with the ripper to deal with specials, especially trappers, with the slowness.
I wanted to love knife on Ogyrn, I really did. Used can opener with ripper to deal with Crushers, it’s just not worth it. You’re not that much more nimble using knife. The ugly bully clubs are more useful I find.
But yeah Ogyrn having massive melee weapons would be fun just maybe game breaking. Their issue really is disablers and ranged enemies though.
I mean, it’s a video game, I don’t know how much realism we need, there’s no point having stuff in the game if it’s just going to suck to use and be worse than everything else for the sake of realism. May as well not even be in the game.
BUT if we are talking about realism daggers were very useful. If you’re not using a bludgeoning weapon daggers were better against armored targets. If you’re using a 4 foot sword the kinetic force from your arms and wrist is longer and the blade is much more likely to get deflected in stabs (slashes don’t work against armor) and the sword is more likely to even bend.
A dagger is short, very rigid and doesn’t lose so much force from your arms (the source of all the kinetic power behind all melee weapons) and can break armor. Hence, the rondel in medieval warfare (not that I am expert).
Funnily enough I would say if you wanted realism, dagger should be a great anti-armor awful defensive/horde clear weapon that lets you be mobile. It wouldn’t be as anti-armor as hammers and clubs and such, but it would be better than swords for sure.
I love the Branx, if the devs touched up its action time after special to match the other picks I’d probably grind another 100 ogg levels with just the heavy pick.
Sometimes I like to poo in my hands and clap
While that’s certainly statistically possible, its about as plausible as randomly getting 3 Vets with plasma just erasing everything before you can reach it!
With a possibility that occurs so rarely it verges on statistically implausible, one might as well accept it for the extreme rarity it is and enjoy/endure the unlikely to repeat spectacle o7