I died/went down once on damnation. It was 100% my fault. I was too far from my team. I really don’t think it had anything to do with a controller.
Is the movement less fluid as MNK? Sure.
If I was paying more attention and being by my team I wouldn’t have went down a single time that entire run.
Again, I appreciate the feedback, but if I can do the hardest difficulty in a game and not even go down…I think controllers are fine.
Again, this wasn’t to show that I’m good. It was too show I’m easily good enough to do damnation, which is the hardest difficulty out of 5.
Throughout this post you guys have said controller players are useless. That they aim slow, can’t turn, etc and this is proof that it’s not the controller. Idk what was wrong with those players, but you can go back to my video and see that I can handle damnation.
Auric missions are obviously harder and my stray for those is just to slow down. I use range more, pick my angles, etc.
But a regular damnation run is not “the highest difficulty” now, is it?
For your standard T5, maybe even high-intensity T5, controller is probably fine.
Auric mealstrom with 5 modifiers, 3 of which are extra waves of disablers… yeah no, controller is 100% “not fine” for that level of difficulty.
The point was never that you can’t do well with controller, the point was that you’re physically incapable of doing the precision inputs reqcuired for the highest difficulty content. A lot of people are not good enough for that even if they use MNK so I wouldn’t expect the average T5 player to be able to handle auric mealstrom with a controller “only holding then back” in the best case scenario.
You guys don’t want to play with bad players? Advocate for ranks. I can’t do maelstrom very well (I’d argue it’s a skill issue) and I wouldn’t be in your cohort. I’d match with other damnation players.
You guys are just moving the goal post.
“Controller players suck and I don’t want to play with them. They can’t dodge, aim, hit/shoot. Omg I’ve watched them be liek robots”
Sees a video proving the controller wasn’t the problem
“Ok but you can’t do the hardest difficulty, plus the hardest modifiers, plus the really crazy modifiers!!”
Across the 180+ posts I have only defended that this idea the controller players can’t play on damnation, is absurd.
Damnation is the hardest difficulty.
Auric is the same hp points, wounds, monsters, etc as damnation as far as I know.
Some aurics aren’t even hard like the hound ones.
Modifiers to maelstrom still don’t increase hp points, wounds, monster hp, etc as far as I know? If it does, then ok I’m wrong.
Is maelstrom harder than the rest of the game? Hell yea it’s insane. Most people on MNK can’t do it either. I’m nowhere near convinced I can’t do it because of my controller.
Again. No one is talking about you my dude. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. You may stay in regular damnation but a lot of console players don’t. They see the youtubers showing insane runs on hi int shock gauntled and think that is the game and immediately jump into that. It get’s annoying having them f up good runs.
Ok if you are just going to ignore my argument and just insult me then maybe a debate isn’t the right situation for you?
Maelstrom is damnation difficulty with tons of hard AND FUN modifiers thrown in. Is it not?
I did that run and avoided getting touched by every single mutant and every dog but one lol
I was Rambo the entire time and probably over did it sometimes but I figured you guys were watching and I didn’t want you to say I was useless.
I think the point your missing is that you guys just don’t want bad players join maelstrom…which makes sense. However, your solution is to segregate the entire community on every level and not based on level…but what input they use?
If you do a damnation/auric run and you play with a console player who can play liek me (which again, I really don’t think it’s hard to do lol) then you’d be fine.
Check out that dude with the lasgun after I died. I intentislly left it on him because he was MNK and I noticed he was MUCH slower at aiming and really doing anythign than me.
Again, this isn’t about me. Im only using myself as proof that your argument is flawed. There are bad MNK and controller players. Advocate for a solution to bad players rather than a solution that could stop you from playing with other like skilled players
And just for context, your point about only maelstrom just came up. (Idk if it was specifically you but that certainly wasn’t the argument for the 1st 150 posts)
Console players can easily do 95% of the game and if you disagree than you can watch my video
And you ARE talking about me. I am in the group of people you are complaining about. I play with a controller. I promise you there are other people just as good, if not better, than me. So if I don’t fit in your conclusion , then your conclusion is wrong.
Let me help you understand through analogy:
If you said all cars can drive 200 mph and someone pointed out that “hey my car can only do 160mph”, then your response shouldn’t be “well I’m not talking about YOUR car”.
It should be “sorry I should have been more specific because yea you are right, all cars can’t do that.”
Your original conclusion was wrong because someone pointed out their example makes your conclusion impossible to be true, so you have to go back and “fix it”
While that is true in the technical sense, nobody referrs to damnation as “highest diffuculty” as there is higher difficulty content in auric mealstrom missions. It’s a semantics thing so don’t get too narrow with it.
There’s a few things here to unpack.
For one, enemies have half the health on sedation than on damnation. Is sedation now half as hard as damnation? Centainly not.
So just because auric and mealstrom missions have the same damage and hp values, doesn’t mean that it’s not harder. The increased challenge comes from a significantly increased specials spawnrates and additional modifiers that you don’t verse in any other mission.
Here’s something that kinda proves my previous point; hound missions are not especially hard for most MNK players. You note them as something particularly difficult because having to deal with 20+ very nimble and erratically moving enemies is factually harder with a controller than with MNK.
That is exactly the point we’re making when we say that controller players are not cut out for auric mealstrom. That statement lacks a lot of clarification and ignores a lot of factors but it’s not wrong per se, because there is a high number of combinations of modifiers that a controller player will have a significantly harder time dealing with, to the point where mission success gets affected.
Everyone knows that you will not make it through a 4+ modifier mealstrom if less than 4 players are pulling their weight. If I gave any player of my friendgroup, with which I regularly clear maelstroms with, the task of doing so with a controller (assuming here that their skills translate 1 to 1) they would perform worse to the point where I’d say that they are not pulling their weight anymore. You’d have to be so much better at the game to get the same result and the fact of the matter is that someone that just hit level 30 can do so with both a controller or MNK but that does not mean that either is ready for maelstrom. It’s just far more likely that a MNK player will be ready for it than a controller player with equal playtime / skill. I find it very hard to disagree to that, I’m sorry.
Auric missions are not harder than the exact same mission if it were to appear on the regular missions board. They just don’t because they get displayed on the auric board as that is it’s purpose.
The point isn’t that you can’t do it. Nobody is trying to convince you that you, specifically can’t or will never be able to do it.
The point is that the majority of controller players get access to mealstrom long before they are ready and not having the option to obt out of crossplay to lessen the amount of dead weight that can join you, just sucks. Everyone else can obt out so why not us?
Sorry I don’t want to sound like I completely disagree with you or anything. You are making good points. I just want to point out a couple things
I was actually trying to point out the hounds ARE easy for the auric missions. Dodging then is ez pz. I’m happy when that is what roles because it’s much easier than high intensity or shock trooper.
I agree with you that no one wants to play with peopel below their skill level. The point I’m trying to make is you guys are focusing on console players, which I think is ignoring the problem.
No one wants to play with bad _______ players
You could fill that blank with mnk,console,controller, etc. I’m trying to point out that the equation has a constant as “bad” or “unskilled”, etc or whatever description you want to use and the variables (console,controller,mnk,) don’t matter. What matters is if they are able to do it or not. I’m don’t see the point of dragging those other descriptions into it.
I would agree about fairness though. If all other cohorts are able to turn off crossplay, then I would give that to ya. That should be fair.
And I kinda feel like we are just playing with words regarding difficulty. I am using difficulty in a literal sense as to what the developers label their difficulties. You are describing difficulty as what a situation requires skill wise. I don’t think you can objectively argue either are right or wrong. Maelstrom is definitely the hardest thing you can do in this game.
I don’t have any data, but I would guess 99% of players can’t do maelstrom. Hell, I bet 90% don’t even do auric. So you guys are using a mighty high standard to gate console players. Know what I mean?
I could see if I posted a video of me playing sedition or something and you guys were like “ok come on that’s not even hard”, but I posted a video of damnation of a team of randoms easily getting through it.
And I get you guys are saying you are excluding me from your wide sweeping description of controllers players. I posted my rationale as to why I think that’s incorrect and why I am basically saying “hey if controller players are so bad, then why can I do it?” The answer I think should be “well they aren’t all bad”. That’s the only point I’m trying to make. This isn’t directed towards you, but the great majority of Negative posts in this post completely contradict the video I posted.
And so my line of logic is “if you think a controller prohibits people from doing good, then why can I do a damnation run well?”
And then if I may try to answer that:
“It’s because there are many many factors into what makes a player “good” and only one of them is the input they use”.
In my video you can see me dodging, strafing, headshoting (new word lol), pretty good. Clearly the controller isn’t stopping me from running a successful damnation run. So why do these people want to segregate someone like me? It sounds like they think a controller icon on the loading screen will predict I’m horrible and they will leave or post some ignorant nonsense on this forum about controller players. I hope you can understand why that would offend someone
Well, I watched also. Good melee.
Poor aiming. Each time he uses the infantry autogun, the aiming is really approximative.
Same when he needs to turn back. It is really slow.
so, yes, I don’t think he can aim at a trapper with a revolver behind a wall of groaners in middle of a melee fight.
But yes, you’re right on one thing. I was thinking aim assist was better than that. But it is obviously not after testing. They still have a big handicap, the controller itself.
Bigpfeiffer Please use the EDIT button to avoid double/triple posts
I’m also surprised you don’t liek the jerky movement. That is me hitting the dodge button almost constantly, which I found to be required for even damnation rounds. You aren’t dodging 99% of the time?
I also have my cursor set on really high speed so I can move fast. I could turn it down so you like it better, but I’m better when it is turned up faster
Just liek you don’t know what you are talking about on the rest.
I landed most of my shots and I was actually surprised at hitting some of the longer ones. I actually think that run was a pretty good one for myself
Edit:
I don’t think I’m alien in saying iron sights in this game are bad and make it harder to shoot. Idk about you, but I would easily agree the lasgun sights are way way way easier to liek stuff uo
Of course you guys aren’t sure how I’d overcome aim assist….you know nothing about it. I can easily look past guys. I don’t know how it works but I have the experience, not you. I’m telling you it isn’t hard.
And I could turn up my movement even more if you think my turn around speed is too slow. Like there’s solutions to that complaint lol
Look I don’t want to keep arguing about this. If you think controller is a huge handicap for yourself, then don’t use it. The MNK is worse for me. You wanted video evidence of playing controller on damnation and I did. I did the whole run very well. We won that match easily. You can post hypotheticals all you want or dream about how you think controller feels for me, but I’m telling you that you are wrong.
A lot of the default iron sights are annoying. Some of the Headhunters and one (or two?) or the Helbores have sights that are clunky to use.
While I haven’t experienced it, I’d seen a lot of people talking about leaving if they saw Ogryns using Slab Shields; I remember speaking with some guy who’d leave if he saw someone using a Chain Axe - it wasn’t the best, but it still did the job. This was long before Auric missions, so it wasn’t even a “X can’t cut it on Auric HI STG missions” argument
Jerky movement doesn’t equal dodging. I’m dodging everything I have to. When we say jerky movement we’re talking about your atrocious camera and aim, which is jerky and not smooth.
At this point I give up. There is neither logic nor reason. Just enjoy your controller and keep out of my games.
For anyone else:
This mod shows you the platform of a player. While it only differentiates between steam and crossplay, this at least allows you to avoid console players.
in fact read again. I never asked this.
I just asked how many damages you would do in a damnation run with a controller. Just to have an idea (so scoreboard ss or even just an average value).
In fact, I was answering to gpkgpk
At first, I had not the intention to comment the video. And let’s say, that I won’t go further.
Doesn’t change the problem
They have (GP players) the option. We should have it also.
I think that’s on you, not on him (or other controller players, for that matter). If you (or anyone else) wants to avoid a specific subset of the playerbase, then you need to deal with that, not them.
In saying that, I don’t think it’s hard for anyone to accomplish today, if that’s what they want to do - I’ve never used the Discord for matchmaking, but I’ve regularly seen people looking for groups and the comms channels for groups seemed pretty active from the last time I looked.
