Your cosmetic shop is bad and you should feel bad

That’s the thing
That’s what I’m literally doing but don’t want to be.

I want to buy but what keeps me from engaging with the store is there’s nothing good to buy and what cycles in only twice a month is stuff I already didn’t want.

The leaks have shown stuff I would actually want and yet in a years time they have refused to sell it.

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FYI, it doesn’t. There is no such helmet in the game files - somebody did a mockup of what they would like a standard carapace helmet with a visor to look like.

The equivalent to this is a commissary-issued helmet that’s a recolour of Veteran penance gear set (Antax Mk III Conclave-issue Tactical Helm).

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Yes, they do.

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I feel like there’s a “Did I just see you purchasing Aquilas” meme to be made from this :sweat_smile:

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I know I’m a little behind with bringing this up and it’s not like I, and many others, have not said this before but I just needed to vent as this has marinated long enough with me:

We, as the consumers and targets for FS monetization schemes, have the power to invoke change and all we have to do is very simple: Do not give them any money if you don’t support their practices! Yes I understand that “wanting to look cool” is a basic need for most, if not all gamers but there is no justification to spend your hard earned cash if you’re not 100% fine with the consequences that your spending encourages. I don’t care about the politics of games / It’s my money, I do what I want with it do not count as reasons, they are excuses.

The rotating shop (designed to build a habit of “needing to check the store regularly”), the lackluster free-to-earn skins (designed to make the premium skins actually look premium in comparison), the straight up lazy reskins of said skins, the outrageous pricing, the bundle strategy both for cosmetics and premium currency (which should be illegal if we’re honest), the fact that there are clearly better-looking cosmetics of bundled items which themselves are not in bundles, the steady increase in price and lowering of the intrinsic value of the bundles while keeping the price the same, the fact that a skin only comes in one color and you have to buy individual colors for the full price of the cosmetic separately, the fact that DT launched as an MVP (minimum viable product) and had skins so early on, the fact that DTs devs are not done in over a year to bring DT to a state it should’ve launched in while the shop has gotten 6 to 9 new sets of cosmetics which cost more in total than the game several times over…
Every single one of these is a middle finger but the whole list all at once? Yeah f*ck you too!

We’ve all seen this entire paragraph before in countless games and none of them are remembered for what they’ve done well but only for their greediness.

Why bring all this up again and why now?
Because bungie failed to meet their earnings predictions by 45% and is in the process of being gutted to make up for that lost revenue.
Only the staff is being let go even though they warned their leadership about the problems of the game and asked to fix them but leadership didn’t care. All the shitty management that caused this mess get to stay with the company while the staff that made that incredible game, is being let go for managements failures.

Their community gave feedback on what needed to change. The developers brought that feedback higher up the chain and asked to get to work on fixing the problems. Management didn’t let them fix the problems and instead put even more monetization schemes into the game. The players eventually got fed up with this and stopped spending and playing and now the studio is being gutted.

Any part of that sound familiar yet? That first half sure reminds me of DTs crafting and if I were a betting man, I’d wager that the cosmetics shop debate will eventually turn into this story too.

And all of this happened because management wouldn’t listen as well as the community stopping to support that sinking dung heap of a monetization riddled dumpster fire.

The point is: we need to stop spending money on the skins or we will continue to get smaller bundles, at higher prices or more reskins with more helmets which look better but you have to buy separately and so on…
It won’t have an impact soon or maybe not even in the near future but this is a game of chicken that bungie has already lost so why not FS at some point? They seem to be wanting to go down that road really badly…

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This.

I wonder how effective this model would have been had they reserved some premiums to be given upon reaching level up milestones, then a few more from gameplay, and a couple high quality ones from penances. If you want to catch the proverbial whale, you need to first throw some bait, to get them invested into product; waifu gacha games figured this out by giving you free dailies, login freebies, campaign completion goodies, dungeon completion rewards, and so on. I know a coworker who spent over six hundred monies on waifu gacha games - she did it so she can have a chance at rolling for a single rare waifu. However, she was so invested in the mobile game she didn’t see it as an issue. I wonder if this would have worked out if the game didn’t invest her.

I myself never spent money on such games as I always made it just fine by playing free; sometimes the games are very generous with their freebies. That’s the thing though. You need to be generous with your handouts in order for the player to feel invested in possibly thinking of throwing money at the product. If you push them away with anti consumer practices then your limiting your potential profits.

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Yes, you have to bait better to get the cashgrab running.
But you’re talking FS here. The one thing (at the very least) they are lacking is management (whichever you want, doesn’t matter). After the Skilltree I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they get the craftig right (enough) and maybe, MAYBE, a better cash shop. Albeit, I may be a longbeard then

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Even if you have disposable income I don’t get how people justify spending money on this stuff when the whole thing is so blatantly consumer hostile. When I feel like I’m getting nickle and dimed like this all it does is make me resent the seller and refuse to spend money out of spite. I love 40k and was fully prepared to buy cosmetics on the regular if they were reasonably priced but $15 for an armor recolor? Suck me from the back, FS, you’re not getting another cent from me.

Being so reckless with your money is insane to me and shows a serious lack of self control and basic standards imo. It’s bad to be like that, don’t settle for this crap.

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I agree fully. But some value their satisfied need to look cool more than being taken advantage of.
The whole principle of: “it’s easier to fool a man than to convince him that he’s been fooled” and all that.

“I wanna look cool and I wanna look cool now!” and not a 2nd thought on what it actually means to spend that money…
I remember when skins for guns in CoD BO2 cost 2.50$ and you got that camo for every single gun.
Today, you’d spend 15$ for those camos, per gun, per loadout and those bundles get released faster than you can earn the money to buy them.

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These stores are no longer designed for the average consumer.

They are just harpoons to exclusively target whales and milk then for as much as possible.

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ay as long as the prices stay the same, you can jus buy a piece you like off the bundle

makes you really value your ordo and think twice about spending money on useless things

The thing for me is that there isn’t even really a trick going on, or rather there are layers to the trickery but even on the surface it’s clear that what you’re getting is a pretty bad deal. You can see older cheaper packs with more cosmetic pieces in the same rotation as the newer ones that are the same price and have fewer pieces. They aren’t even trying to hide it! You could buy a whole better game with the money some people spent on those half assed Krieg skins.

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FS have no costs outside of making the skins model, the texture on both this and the steel legion version are copied over multiple cosmetics.

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A premium reskin.

i asked chatGPT how much a character model cost, and im surprised with the answer to be honest,
came out to be several thousands up to five digit number for a single model from start to finish.

now i wonder how much a single cosmetic would be, and how many sales would be needed to cover that cost.

i know of WoT selling 30€+ tanks sometimes making millions wich is insane to me, but they cater to a much larger audience i would assume

That was your first mistake.

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and attach really money prices to it. Less scummy tricks from psy-101 class and more content. Thanks.

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Why does it seem like so many people treat ChatGPT like a search engine when it’s not?

The only reliable information I’ve ever gotten and seen other people get is advice on coding.
Literally anything else is a flip of the coin if it’s actually decent or complete hogwash.

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One would think that the sets that include reskins should cost less than the others. Since Fatshark clearly don’t mind bumping the price up for sets that involve more effort (supposedly), I think they should at least follow their own rationale and lower it on the sets with obvious reskins.