Again, the act of having pre-ordered the game does not then become something that never occured.
Of course it isn’t the pre-order copy if i refund and buy it again later. That doesn’t change that a pre-order still happened before launch and the bonus was added to the account.
I DO have the pre-order bonus content. I played about 25 hours during the pre-order and refunded it on the 28th. I re-bought the game Saturday.
But you’re missing the point. The “thank you, here’s cosmetics” is a thank you for giving them money before the release. If you first give them the money and then take it back, you havent actually given them the money - so there’s no reason why you should get the pre-order bonus, really.
As you said, it’s binary - but you’re applying the binary status where it shouldnt be applied. You apply the binary as an absolute on an action, where as the binary should be on the copy which you currently posess. Is the copy you have in your steam library a pre-order copy, or is it the one you purchased at a later date? If you refunded a copy, and rebought it months from now, that new copy isnt the same as the one you eventually refunded.
I’m not sure why Mezmorki have the cosmetics though, as it shouldnt be applied. It’s a different copy, and he might have just been lucky - for now. It doesnt mean you’ll have the same luck 1-2 months from now. It could also be that he’s “within a grace period” - but you shouldnt expect that to be indefinite, years, months or even weeks long.
Otherwise, you can use the same $100 to “pre-order” every single game you like, just “pre-order it” and refund it, get your money back, “pre-order the next game” and get the pre-order bonuses on that too, refund that game, “pre-order a third game” and get those pre-order bonuses, and rinse repeat.
Then, when you actually want to play the game, months or even years to come, you just buy it regularly and get every single pre-order bonus for every single game you wanted the bonuses on, but not actually ended up pre-order-buy. You believe to have found a way to “cheat the system”, to get the pre-order bonuses despite never having to actually bought the game as a pre-order.
You arent owed the pre-order bonuses if you cheat them out of the actual pre-order.
The copy you get two-three weeks after having refunded a pre-order-copy, is different from the actual pre-order copy you refunded.
I would say it depends on if the rewards and progress are bound to your account or your copy, I will admit though the question of refunding with the intention to repurchase at a later date is just really strange to me.
It seemed to work for this guy?
All the store pages said about it was “Pre-order” and refunding the game does not then mean you never pre-ordered it. The problem is that you’re adding extra context onto this that isn’t actually stated anywhere, you are deciding that what it really means is to do with having that specific copy of the game, and not simply the act of having pre-ordered the game before release.
A pre-order was placed. The cosmetics are then attached to the account, not attached to the copy of the game.
You do know that there’s a possibility of just removing your account after a while, since you refunded the game, and that when you buy the game in 6 months, a new account is created and connected to your steam?
It’s not as simple as you make it out - the pre-order bonuses are for having pre-ordered the game. You trying to cheat the system by “pre-ordering it”, refunding it and then spend the money on another game for now, just to re-purchase the game later, might not fly. There’s also no reason as to why it should.
Either way, what you’ve stated that your intention is, is morally grey, something the devs can take issue with.
You did pre-order it, sure. You have played it, sure. You specifically said that you want to refund it with the intention to buy the game at a later date “if it becomes good”. Which is definitely something the devs could just cancel your account for. Could, let me be clear - I’m not saying “should”.
As soon as you refund the game, they could just remove your entire account from their end, making a next purchase a completely new account, a completely new copy - which wasnt pre-ordered. It might take a few days to sort out, or a couple of weeks - which is the “grace period” I mentioned earlier.
But either way, you intent is that you both keep the money and the pre-order bonuses for a game you no longer gave the pre-order-money for. You both want the cookie and eat it - which is something the devs definitely can even block your steam account from ever connecting to them again - other games have had that done. It’s the specific intent here that is the biggest issue - you intend to cheat the system.
All I said was that I’m considering refunding the game because there are (to me quite significant) problems with it, but I may but it again at a later date when/if those get fixed so I’m wondering what would happen to the cosmetics on the account already. A perfectly reasonable thing to ask.
Considering you’ve gone from just having have an overly aggressive tone towards defending the game to making up baseless accusations of there being some sort of bad intent here, I’m not going to bother wasting any more time arguing this.
It’s not baseless - that’s legitimately what you’re asking if you can do.
The intent is clear.
Also, you’re mistaken, I’m not “defending the game” - I’m spelling out the fact that all games can do this. It’s not “defending the game” by pointing out that the pre-order copy of any game that you refund, is not the same game that you later purchase post-launch.
It wouldnt have worked with, say, Demon’s Souls Remake preorder stuff and it wouldnt have worked with any other game either.
The intent of you wanting to withdraw your money and still get the preorder bonuses are very clear - and I’m not being aggressive towards you, despite how my “tone” can come off - I’m telling you; that does not fly with any dev. I’m actively trying to not have you make a mistake. If I was hostile towards you, why would I bother trying to stop you from making said mistake?
I’m seeing a lot of conjecture on this topic that doesn’t line up with reality. Here’s a developer response to a user who asked a similar question:
Source: Preorder beta progress (inluding beta participation reward) linked to steam account? Would refund & use of Nvidia key keep progress & reward?
The answer is yes. If you refund then purchase the game again later. You should still have your stuff.
I love how some People Blatantly even Ask beforehand about how well they can abuse the a System…
Refunds are not Intended for Tryouts.
So dont Abuse the Refund System to Refund a Game You already know You would Buy again later.
its Creatung Unecessary Cost for both the Game Developer and the Platform your Buying on.
If you Refund. You should do so with the Intention of not Playing the Game again.
Refunding means You say that this Game is Bad and You dont want it.
Purchasing it was a Mistake and thus You want to Correct that Mistake.
As such wether or not you Maintain your Progress and other stuff should not be Relevant.
That’s great, but no one is here to listen to this banal monologue on the ethics of refunds. If a customer is not satisfied with a product, he’s entitled to a refund, period. If the customer tried the product and found it wanting, he’s entitled to a refund. This monetary right is what we have for recourse when it comes to dealing with businesses.
I dont care about You guys Griping on the Game constantly either.
But guess what. I cant Stop you from doing it regardless.
So Deal with It.
This response is so asinine it doesn’t merit a reply, but I’ll humor you nonetheless since I’m bored.
You’re entitled to defending a video game company that treats you like a money bag to be exploited rather than giving you a fun gaming experience; who am I to judge the abusive relationships people are willing to put themselves through. It’s your choice, after all. As for the rest of us, no I don’t think we will, thank you very much.
I’ve already refunded Darktide and have urged countless Vermintide 2 fans to not buy the game. Steam review score has also been tanking and Darktide has been hemorrhaging its player base within a week. Suffice to say, a majority is in agreement of Darktide not being satisfactory.
If anyone ever tells you FOMO doesnt work just show them this thread.
(Or the hillarious number of people who bought monkeys with funny hats aka NFTs)
As one Yells into the Forest so it will Echo out of it.
You made a Stupid Comment that had little meaning beyond Provoking me.
So I answered with a Stupid Comment that had little meaning beyond Provoking you.
Now for the more Serious Part of your Comment.
I am not actually Interested in Defending Fatshark.
I just make a Habit of Calling out Bullcrab and Hypocrisy.
And this Topic is a Great example of such Hypocrisy.
Because all the People which keep Bashing Fatshark for doing things that a Morally Questionable but Legally are Perfectly Valid.
Yet these very same People will Readily Promote Morally Questionable behavior against Fatshark and even Attack others who dare Pointing out that this behavior isnt Morally Acceptable.
By the way. Another part of Hypocrisy is your Patronising and Haughty Behavior.
So You got something to say about what I put myself through ?
Thing is. I am having Fun in the Game. So I belong here. This is a Game Forum of a Game I enjoy.
I dont consider myself abused by a Company that has Delivered to me a Fun Experience at less than 40 Cents per Hour so far.
Nor has Fatshark so far done anything to hurt or even just discomfort me.
But You just now Immediately Pointed out how You already Refunded the Game and even keep Advertising against People to Buy other Games from Fatshark.
Yet You remain here in this Forum of that Company which You very Obviously Hate.
Why do you Put yourself through that ?
Why not just Refund the Game and be done with it ?
Why are you Torturing yourself and Waste your Time on something You dont Enjoy ?
See. For me this is a simple thing.
If I decide that a Game Company is Fraudulent and no longer worth giving the Benefit of the Doubt.
I will Refund what I can, Leave a Negative Review Based on my Personal Experience with the Game and the Company. And then not bother myself with that Company ever again.
Thats why I dont even look at Games Published by EA or Bitbox for example.
So how about you Start doing what you Preach and stop torturing yourself by being here ?
I am sure there is more Worthwhile things in Your Life You can Spend your Time on.
Uhm.
Not to Offend You.
But 35% is less than 65%
So it Seems for now at least the Majority still seems to consider Darktide Satisfactory.
Also pls stop Promoting this Factually Wrong Rubbish…
Darktide has not really been Hemorrhaging anything.
Games that are Hyped having a Peak at Release because everyone tries to Play when it comes out is not Rare.
This Peak of Release Day almost Never is Retained after Release.
Because Games pretty much Never have a 100% Approval Rating.
So wether or not Darktide will actually Gain or Lose Players is Something we will only See in 2-3 Months when we See how many People actually are Playing on Average and remain Active.
Because Darktide will either Start Dropping more Players than it Attracts. Thus actually Bleeding off Players.
Or will Attract more Players than it Drops. Thus actually gaining Players.
But if you do the math since release they the numbers look like this:
47% positive 53% negative. (from: 30.11 - 08.12 )
So beta reviews also count. There i would have also go for positiv. But not after the release.
Uhm. Mate.
Not to be Mean.
But why Should I Delete and Repost my Positive Review from before Release when my Positive Opinion of the Game has not Changed after Release in the Slightest ?
Do I need to Repost my Review every Week just so You consider it Relevant ?
While similar question, it’s not exactly what’s been asked.
The question you were posting was about beta participation bonuses and progress. Which is entirely different from pre-order bonuses.
If you participated in the beta or your progress is part of an absolute action - either you did, or you didnt. The question is how they would keep track of said action, and that dev said that it’s tied to your steam ID for tracking purposes.
Whether or not a copy of a game is pre-order or not is not an absolute action - it’s, as TheVoidDragon said, a binary situation - either that copy is a pre-order, or it isnt.
The copy of the game I own, and the one TheVoidDragon owns currently (unless they refunded already) is a pre-order, but if that copy is refunded, it’s refunded. Any future purchase post release is not a pre-order - it’s just a regular purchase.
Therefore, the question you posted a Dev-answer to, is not the one being asked here.
No, you are choosing to interpret this as that. It’s a question asking how it works to make an informed decision, I don’t decide if they are or aren’t there afterwards or not.
The game has some pretty big problems. I am entitled to a refund if I want one, as it’s still within the eligible period, and that’s just something as part of the customer protection that comes with making purchases on Steam.
Quote from the Steam refund page for you:
You can request a refund for nearly any purchase on Steam—for any reason. Maybe your PC doesn’t meet the hardware requirements; maybe you bought a game by mistake; maybe you played the title for an hour and just didn’t like it.
It was not purchased "tryout"the game as some sort of free demo. and your “You should do so with the Intention of not Playing the Game again.” is just nonsense. You realize that games can/do change, right? Imagine saying to someone who was refunding because of performance issues that made it unplayable “You refunded it, don’t you dare buy it again when the performance issues are fixed!”. That you think it’s “ethically wrong” to refund a game with the hope that the issues with the game get fixed and it’s then worth buying again at a later date is just utterly absurd. It is not “abusing” the system to get a refund on a game that has everything from missing content, to performance issues, to monetization issues.
As for the progress being relevant…yeah, it’s relevant. If it wasn’t I wouldn’t be asking. It’s a perfectly reasonable question to ask what would happen, because that affects my decision. If they’d still be there? I can just refund. If they’d be gone? Then I’d have to decide if I think they’re worth me just waiting instead.
It comes across as you just being so utterly eager to defend the game that you think it takes priority over the rights/feelings of customers who bought it.
No. Refunding a game is not morally questionable and is morally acceptable. Raise your standards, consumer
You are not “battling hypocrisy”. You are being an insufferable dunce