Why are we getting a heavy stubber variant instead of an autocannon?

[DiamondNova]

@zaygr

feel that GW are petty enough to deliberately go contrarian to things that are in the Fantasy Flight books after that drama.

I wonder, what kind of drama?

[Elodie]

This.

I don’t know anything about W40k lore, but I think the similarity in name & looks is causing some confusion here. Far as I understood the new weapon is its own type & family, not just a variant: A sniper, not a dakka.

As for the looks & style, when I think about oggies I can’t really picture big huge sniper rifles. I mean, just the idea of a huge lumbering oggy lying down, waiting, aiming, patiently taking their time studying their target & calculating trajectories etc… Yeah nah.

A hip-fired gun fits the theme a lot better.

Either way while I get that a gun with an appearance so close to what they already have is underwhelming, the main point here is that it’s a sniper. Oggies have been wanting proper long range guns & flashlights both since release. That’s a huge deal.

[Hank_jw]

It’s not a claim, I said “for all we know”.

Fantasy Flight Games TTRPGs for 40k have been discontinued since 2017.

[Darth_Coffee]

Ive been wanting an ogryn lascannon

[SgtHavelock]

@Heretical_Cactus

Autocannon shouldn’t be the Ogryn’s precise weapon tbh, it should be small magazine armour piercing weapon that isn’t really precise.

Sort of like the Quickdraw Revolver (although that can be lethaly precise at range). I think that would fit well, to tear apart Crushers, Monstrosities and Ragers up close. It would certainly be nice to have but …

@Enforest

Don’t think GW has anything to do with it

GW are incredibly zealous about their IP, they guard it extremely tightly, so much so that it used to be a meme about the company. They will oversee everything using the IP like cyber-falcons, always watching and making sure nothing is out of step with their vision.

[PSI2007]

That one(!) source, which is contradicted by every other source ever being released by GW.

Just saying…

[Jonn]

@Hank_jw

for all we know

Speaking about knowing things, did you have any hands on experience with the new stubber? if so, did you feel that it was a good fit for gunlugger and filled a niche that was missing (a long range/marksman focused weapon for gunluggers)?

@Darth_Coffee

Ive been wanting an ogryn lascannon

Still holding on hope for chain cleavers.

[Enforest]

@Hank_jw

Fantasy Flight Games TTRPGs for 40k have been discontinued since 2017.

@PSI2007

That one(!) source, which is contradicted by every other source ever being released by GW.

Just saying…

Yet Gun lugger, which has appeared only in the Only War has made it to Darktide last year.

[UnLimiTeD]

I believe the main reason that we’re getting this weapon now is that
A) There’s a demand for a weapon with the projected characteristics, and
B) The models, with shared base animations, have been in the game for at least a year, so they’re available.
It’s cheap, it fills a purpose, and it’s probably pretty uncontroversial as far as those things go.

[Hank_jw]

@Jonn

Speaking about knowing things, did you have any hands on experience with the new stubber? if so, did you feel that it was a good fit for gunlugger and filled a niche that was missing (a long range/marksman focused weapon for gunluggers)?

Yes, I playtested them pretty extensively. I think they’re very strong weapons that are a good fit for any build, depending on the mark, and they definitely pass the exam to fill the precision-weapon niche with flying colours.

[Ol_Jakal]

@Enforest

@Hank_jw

For all we know, GW thought autocannons and heavy bolters were too expensive for Ogryns to wield and they won’t allow it. These new stubbers strike me as Fatshark making the most of the assets they already have approval for.

Source for such claims? Gun Lugger rules state exactly the opposite.

don’t use the RPGs for support, GW generally does not look directly at them and they will gladly ban anything they find there from the tabletop and sue anyone that tries to make a 3rd party version. this has been a thing for ages, if someone is showing you RPG stuff to argue for inluding something in a game assume they’re trolls.

[dannylew8299]

@UnLimiTeD

it’s probably pretty uncontroversial

Yeah about that, lol

[dannylew8299]

@Ol_Jakal

don’t use the RPGs for support, GW generally does not look directly at them and they will gladly ban anything they find there from the tabletop and sue anyone that tries to make a 3rd party version. this has been a thing for ages, if someone is showing you RPG stuff to argue for inluding something in a game assume they’re trolls

I don’t think there’s a take any hotter than that, but it’s pretty telling that I actually can see the first 99% of that quote being possibly true.

Yeah this is the thundershovel affect happening again. It’s cool Ogryn’s getting a flashlight, but also man, I’m currently eating every drop of expectations I’ve got! Gotta keep that way, way low.

Don’t hope! Expect an Infantry Autogryn and you can’t be disappointed! The lore is bad and no longer runs on Rule of Cool. Everything is grimdank. Next weapon will be the wish.com brand of the weapon we want, with a shovel bayonet.

wait, shovel bayonet would be funny, damnit

[Molonious]

@Enclave

We’re members of an inquisitorial warband give us the real 40k weaponry

In fairness, we’re the bottom rung of the personal warband of a single Inquisitor fighting what is in effect his own private war amidst a host of much larger conflicts, with severe ongoing supply issues where several of the missions are literally just for scavenging ammo. We’re not members of a Chamber Militant like the Sororitas, or on par with the likes of Inquisitorial Stormtroopers.

When we look at weapons on Inquisitorial henchmen/warband/agent models from GW, their personal weaponry doesn’t tend towards the exotic or high end. The actual Agents boxed set has a Heavy Bolter servitor, some dude with an Eviscerator, a veteran guardsmen with a Spear, some dude with an Autopistol, a guy with an Inquisitorial standard, and an Auto-Quill servitor.

[Heretical_Cactus]

@Ol_Jakal

if someone is showing you RPG stuff to argue for inluding something in a game assume they’re trolls.

Not necessarily.

Taking the Rpg (or any other source) as basis for things that could be added is normal.

But the sole decider of things is FS and GW, two yes, one no. And GW has previously acted in opposition to things that they’ve allowed in the past.

[dannylew8299]

@Molonious

In fairness, we’re the bottom rung of the personal warband

Wait i just thought of something

It’s a jape but at the same time we got some loreful Stockholm syndrome happening in this fandom.

[Molonious]

@dannylew8299

It’s a jape but at the same time we got some loreful Stockholm syndrome happening in this fandom.

The larger 40k universe setting has lots of stuff. In any one place most of it isn’t present. Darktide takes a very clear reference frame for the setting within its context, consistent with most existing lore and models. You can not like that context, you can even not care about it, that’s fair, but noting that the context exists and appears to shape what weapons are appropriate within said context is hardly “stockholm” syndrome.

[Ol_Jakal]

@dannylew8299

The lore is bad and no longer runs on Rule of Cool. Everything is grimdank.

you think you’re joking but this is how GW has been demanding things for the last like five years and it sucks.

[kqgee]

Yea, its unfortunate. I hope its not a rate of fire change like the lasguns but I wont be suprised.

[Molonious]

@Ol_Jakal

you think you’re joking but this is how GW has been demanding things for the last like five years and it sucks.

I’ve read some variant of this line through every edition of 40k I can recall ever.