What Went Wrong with Gaming?

For all who are happy with the RNG systems in darktide.

(What Went Wrong with Gaming? - YouTube)

Merry Christmas to everyone.


lmao why do you have to twist the knife too ?


Hahaha! Merry Christmas!


Good video. FF7, Baldurs gate and descent freespace were three games i picked up one summer when i was 12. Best gaming summer of my life. And Yeah its a shame what greed has done to the gaming industry.


Said it in the other thread to him already, that i dislike all the stuff aswell etc…

Just wanted to point out, that

a) not every company is that greedy
b) the greed did a lot to offer so much games

I mean… e.g. everyone dooms EA these days and we all know why. But in the end they saved one or another IP. Not a defense to what they cause, but a lot of gaming studios went bankrupt because there was not enough greed and prices haven´t changed much within 40 years so…

It´s also a lot coming from the players wanting f2p games, which is nearly mandatory these days to keep them alive. And somehow bills have to be paid…

Just look at LoL… they abuse everything and still millions of players are happy with the new animation series and have high hopes into the quality of the upcoming MMORPG.
Really bad money-practices, but they still care about their stuff.

Normies were what went wrong with gaming. Enthusiasts are picky. Consumers aren’t.

I blame Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg. They turned up and everything went to hell.



Stellar video, I enjoyed that a lot.

One of the comments brought up Totalbiscuit who fought against this kind of stuff very actively, which I don’t see that much with high profile content creators anymore.

The worst part is people will argue against this saying “well vote with your wallet” - which doesn’t work. Because for every person who does that, tons and tons of other people fall for the psychological tricks and nets the company insane profits. No - the only way to fight against this stuff is to actively fight against it…although at this point, considering how much money it makes the companies, probably will never work. I wonder if we’re on our way to another video game crash like in the 80’s


F to pay respects.
I truly miss TB, and his approach to games and game journo.


We can only dream. As long as there’s that small number of people who are willing to throw the industry under the bus in exchange for the opportunity to spend a bunch of money, things are only going to get worse.

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I find it really obnoxious that people are blaming companies for consumer behavior.

The reality of the matter is that when it comes to gaming all purchases are 100% consensual. It is a pure luxury good. It’s also one of the few industries in the world that isn’t controlled by an anticompetitive cartel. The barriers to entry are incredibly low. You would be hard pressed to find a purer example of an actual free market.

And yet almost every single time an idealistic company comes along that that says “We’re going to do better by our players” it’s the consumers that just shrug and let them die.

If people rejected secondary monetization as a business model in a real sense and stopped paying for games that are designed around it that whole practice would simply cease to exist. But we just don’t live in a culture where people exercise restraint as a means of taking responsibility for the state of the world so this is what we get.


Exactly. People have accustomed themselves to this crap that they don’t see it as an issue anymore. Boiling frog analogy and all that. In some cases these individuals see others who criticize the monetization as ‘complainers’ and ‘whiners’ who want free stuff. Man. How the times have changed over the years. I remember when season passes and DLC were controversial.


It’s true. People are stupid though.

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well we have faster internet now thats one of the problems with gaming now. most ppl have phone where they can download some kind of game with cashshop thats second. can we as gamers fix/get rid of these two? i dont think so. nuclear winter/strong solar storm can but we dont want that do we.

It’s easy to know what went wrong with gaming.


Now let me explain, precisely because nothing went wrong, the market size is absolutely ridiculous now, so no longer matters if you make a good product (to a degree), the only thing that matters is that said product is well marketed, and it’ll sell, maybe it won’t be the next GTA V, but it’ll sell enough to make decent profit.

I don’t know if any of you are into final fantasy, but most old FF fans would agree something like FFX is a lot better than FFXV, guess which one was the sales record of the franchise, you are right, it was XV, which is easily one of the worst too, but the market size since FFX has increased so f*cking much (we are talking PS2 vs PS4/5 eras) it doesn’t really matter, the company just sees “the new direction brings more sales, we keep growing”.

I don’t even have the strength to start with pokemon, you get the idea.

So, basically, nothing went wrong when it had to, so now it doesn’t matter.

While this may sound ridiculous to some, it’s very much what happened during PS3/XBOX 360 era (well, maybe not the steve jobs and mark zuckerberg part), a TON of new people came into the gaming world with 0 knowledge of it, and the industry reshaped to sell to them.

I remember Gears of War as one of the new “modern gaming experiences” back in the day, a short, cinematic and straightforward game.

It was a massive success of course.

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I mean I get that the bills have to be paid, and I’ll happily support the continued development of a title I enjoy through things like DLCs, but the issue I have with DT are 2:

  1. The prices for cosmetics are insultingly high, come on, at least give me something for the cash, no way in hell are you ever going to get a cent out of me at 5€ for a single hat. Take that down to 1€ and I would be collecting them like Pokemon.
    At the current prices we can probably expect future classes to cost half as much as the game did and not 8€ like in vermintide.

  2. The game was not free to begin with, all the content currently in the mtx store should honestly be included in the base price and unlockable through things like completing all missions on various difficulty levels, like in VT2. That would go a long way towards player retention and keeping people occupied with working their way up to unlock elite outfits for each class.


Ah yes. The game that started the quintessential pop-a-mole trend.

Nothing wrong with gaming in particular. You can also ask the question “what’s happening to the car industry?” etc.
This is just what happens when you optimize a system for a very specific trait/outcome, which, in the case of capitalism is always - profit.

And I also don’t buy the “vote with your wallet” argument.
Don’t get me wrong, you should spend your money with companies that respect you, but this is not a very effective strategy to rely on if we want to change things for the better.

What we need is either a system that is not purely optimized for profit or/and have better regulations so companies cannot get away with stuff like this.

Just flat our saying how “people are dumb” is a cop-out argument and solves nothing


Is the car industry cutting up essential pieces of your automobile then repackaging it as an extra payment plan to be sold as a profit? Or how about selling you a non-textured or non-colored vehicle that requires you to pay into a silly monetization model that you need to buy into just to have a color swap that isn’t crap. Perhaps even imposing a ‘Live Service’ model that will gradually allow you the privilege of maybe, potentially, receiving all the features your vehicle was supposed to have from the set.

It’s an interesting situation to me. Only in gaming you can be given an appalling experience then on top of the poor service also have the privilege of paying the person who poorly serviced you through a variety of payment options that only serve to benefit them - of course we shan’t forget that lovely tip you’re expected to give on top.


To be fair, BMW have started giving customers the option of not buying heated seats outright with a new car and paying for them as a subscription service as they need them instead.