Reading some other crafting topic I though yet again “geez, it’s ridiculous how much harder - essentially impossible - it is to get good items in DT compared to VT2”. And then I though “OK, but how hard EXACTLY would it be to get good items if we had VT2’s crafting system in DT?”. So I decided to check!
TLDR:
Assuming we had VT2 crafting in DT (without locks) getting a desired item would cost you:
Best-case scenario: 83600 dockets, 3130 plasteel and 1505 diamantine
Average scenario: 186560 dockets, 5650 plasteel and 2945 diamantine
Worst-case scenario: 738000 dockets, 18565 plasteel and 10705 diamantine
AND at no point the item would become permanently “bricked”.
Thread question: would you take the above odds - including the cost of worst-case scenario - over current crafting system?
VT2 CRAFTING:
Here’s my methodology: I rolled base items until I got 20 (twenty) max-power (300) items. Then I rolled until I got 20x the desired Trait (Swift Slaying), and then rolled until I got 20x the desired Properties combo (Attack Speed & Crit Chance). I think that 20 of each is big enough test sample to give us a decent idea about the odds. I ignore upgrading here because it’s linear in both titles and therefore beside the point here.
1. POWER:
Shortest “good luck” streak: 1 (and that was the case in 70% of the cases, i.e. 14 times I got the max-power item on first try)
Average streak: 1.6 rolls for max rating item
Longest “bad luck” streak: 5 (happened once)
2. TRAIT:
Shortest “good luck” streak: 3 (happened 4 times)
Average streak: 5 rolls for the desired trait
Longest “bad luck” streak: 8 (happened 4 times, 9 times a roll above 5 happened)
3. PROPERTIES COMBO:
Shortest “good luck” streak: 2 (happened twice)
Average streak: 14 rolls for desired Properties combo
Longest “bad luck” streak: 29 rolls (happened once, 6 times roll above 20 happened)
The above also means that if you start out with a red item (guaranteed perfect roll, and you can gradually grind for a red by scrapping unwanted reds) you need an average of 14 rolls for an objectively PERFECT item.
(THEORETICAL) DT CRAFTING:
Now I’m going to make a couple of assumptions and simplifications e.g.:
- I’m not factoring in various number of Traits/Blessings available for different items, which affects the odds of getting the one you want;
- assuming all Blessings are available from the start and have only 1 level
- the highest rating Profane item I have available RN is 378, slightly affecting Hadron prices
in order to see what it would cost us to get a DESIRED (not “perfect”) item in DT, if we had the same system and comparable odds as in VT2 - importantly WITHOUT locks.
Methodology: applying the above “streaks” from VT2 and current DT prices for buying, consecrating and swapping top-tier Perks and Blessings:
4. POWER:
At least 11600 dockets
On average 18560 dockets for a 380 item
At most 58000 dockets
5. UPGRADING:
1450 plasteel, 425 diamantine to get from Profane to Transcendent
For the cost of rolling Perks and Blessings I calculate 3 possible pricing variants:
A. We roll for each separately, paying current top-tier Perk/Blessing swap price (odds from VT2 Trait)
B. We roll for both at the same time, paying current price (odds from VT2 Properties)
C. We roll for both at the same time, paying double price (odds from VT2 Properties)
Prices are given in dockets/plasteel/diamantine format
6. PERKS:
A. roll price 4000/200/100 times 2
At least 24000/1200/600
On average 40000/6000/1000 for 2 desired Perks rolled for separately
At most 64000/3200/1600
B. roll price 4000/200/100
At least 8000/400/200
On average 56000/2800/1400 for a desired Perk combo rolled for together
At most 116000/5800/2900
C. roll price 8000/200/100
At least 16000/800/400
On average 112000/5600/2800 for a desired Perk combo rolled together
At most 232000/11600/5800
7. BLESSINGS:
A. roll price 8000/100/80 times 2
At least 48000/600/480
On average 80000/1000/800 for 2 desired blessings rolled for separately
At most 128000/1600/1280
B. roll price 8000/100/80
At least 16000/200/160
On average 11200/1400/1120 for a desired Blessings combo rolled together
At most 224000/2800/2240
C. roll price 16000/200/160
At least 32000/400/320
On average 224000/2800/2240 for a desired Blessings combo rolled together
At most 448000/5600/4480
How does all of the above sum up?
Best-case scenario A, getting the item you want will cost you 83600 dockets, 3130 plasteel and 1505 diamantine
Average scenario B, getting the item you want will cost you 186560 dockets, 5650 plasteel and 2945 diamantine
Worst-case scenario C, getting the item you want will cost you 738000 dockets, 18565 plasteel and 10705 diamantine
I’d happily take those odds/cost rather than the current DT crafting. Would you?
P.S. If you really got all the way down here: thank you for reading my blog!