Sometime they crawl out of sewer manholes
Yeah but thatās not what Iām talking about. Iām talking about just popping into existence. Thereās a few reasons for this, like sometimes a whole patrol just āpoofā appears.
Thereās a difference between a weird spawn that has a logical reason and a totally unexplained cheat spawn. Now, there is a problem telling which is which because they usually happen beind you, so you donāt see them, and of the ones that someone sees, most arenāt recorded for laterā¦ but some are.
I have some examples, and youāll have to forgive they are old. Iām pretty sure thereās some more recent, but these I can provide more quickly.
Like, this one where people get out of the elevator and a whole patrol just appears is one example,
And this where a bruiser just spawns right behind someone is another: Notice itās not there, and then is there in the dark, then the light lights it up again.
Logical spawns that are maybe badly managed relative to gameplay and spawns with no logic at all are similar, but not the same issue.
The manholes are hilarious when you have explosive weapons.
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Stop it, youāll make mama all hot and flustered 
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she trauma staff on my chokepoint til Iā¦ you know what, forget I said anything.
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A fully functional Mechadendriteā¦
A toaster with the heating coil on maximumā¦
And a counter rotating Torsion Cannon.
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By the Omnissiah, the flesh is weak 
Uh-uh, go onā¦ mamaās listening - tell her all about those mean Groaners and Poxwalkers that you spawn killed with your Trauma Staff 
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I see I missed quite a bit while I worked heh. Yes the ARX 200 is the 7.62 NATO Italian standard infantry rifle. 160 is the 5.56. Ahaha I remember the nickname! I was trained for 500 and did competitions for a long time
Call it cheat spawns or whatever you want but its still obnoxious. I remember when the Veteran had optical camo I hardly ever worried about it. On the mission where you redirect the train for the sanction targetā¦ I would sit in one of the back corners crouched and never worried about a spawn. I just sat there plinking away with my Las Gun
I think that bringing it back as part of a sub class or specialty would be perfectly balanced. It should also make it easier to balance the numbers with the passives. For exampleā¦ with the Veteran right now, the ammo passive is for everything. If say Brawler had a passive for +50% shotgun ammo then that would be about 120 rounds with the Agrippina Shotgun which is fair I think
Veteran has armor piercing feats yes but the weapon needs armor piercing as well to make the most of it. Las Gun canāt do that as well as the Plasma Gun or Bolter. It is to a point where most Veterans ignore Maulers, Crushers, or the likes. We shoot at everything else
I carry a Rashad Axe as part of that. I know it isnāt the meta build but it is what I am use to and it works. I can perma stun a Crusher in to oblivion by just bonking its head multiple times
Unfortunately I do not have a suppression guide or information thing on hand. I would be curious if one exists though. I suppose it would be worth learning even if I 1 shot just about everything
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