Turn votekick into kick

[BFCInsomnia]

@1184

If I host my own game and say ‘no grim’ and someone picks up a grimoire anyway then they’re doing it deliberately.

Sorry but what illusion are you under that makes you think you get to decide that for three other people?

If it runs that deep for you, maybe ask next time and tell them that you’d prefer the grims to not be taken. If that doesn’t work repeatedly, get good enough to do cata. Nobody gets books there.

I have 0 sympathy for the host imposing their made up rules on others. You also seem to be the exact kind of player that would abuse kicking the precise way which is the reason it’s a vote and not a veto.

[RedBeardedGiant]

@1184

Well, SOMETHING must be done.

No.

You want to play in a way that most people dont want to play (legend no book runs).
You dont want to use the possibilities given to achieve that. Be it private games playing with bots, organizing premades or waiting in the keep with an open bubble and filling a lobby before you start.

Thats very much a you problem. And no reason to impose a more abusable system on EVERYONE else.
As host you already have the power to use the nuclear option and ruin it for everyone. No need to extend this to arbitrary kicking.

Lobby names, improved lobby browser, all good ideas. This one not so much.

[1184]

@BFCInsomnia

Sorry but what illusion are you under that makes you think you get to decide that for three other people?

The fact that I host the game does.
That is the reality in all the other games and almost everyone is fine with it.

If you don’t like what someone does in the game they host, leave it.
Host your own game where you can set your own rules and play in peace.
That is the most universal and fair framework.

@BFCInsomnia

If it runs that deep for you, maybe ask next time and tell them that you’d prefer the grims to not be taken. If that doesn’t work repeatedly, get good enough to do cata. Nobody gets books there.

I have 0 sympathy for the host imposing their made up rules on others.

I’m not going to circumvent the issue this way because that’s utterly dumb and doesn’t fix the issue at all. It just makes me suffer from the problem that could be easily fixed by Fatshark.
I tell each and every player whenever they join not to take the grim.
They always know whenever they join and they are free to leave right away if they don’t like it.

@BFCInsomnia

You also seem to be the exact kind of player that would abuse kicking the precise way which is the reason it’s a vote and not a veto.

Are you accusing me of ill will? Sort of offensive.
I have never kicked anyone for no good reason.
I don’t join random lobbies and demand everyone not to take grims.
All I want is to be able to play on my own hosted game in peace without a system that protects griefers.

[1184]

@RedBeardedGiant

No.

Yes.

@RedBeardedGiant

You want to play in a way that most people dont want to play (legend no book runs).

Wrong. Most people don’t mind not taking books on Legend.
It’d be true on Champion, but not Legend.

@RedBeardedGiant

You dont want to use the possibilities given to achieve that. Be it private games playing with bots, organizing premades or waiting in the keep with an open bubble and filling a lobby before you start.

I want to play the game with random people like a normal person without having to use 3rd party tools to circumvent bad game design or be forced into playing with 30% of my HP.
People know that I don’t want grims taken as soon as they join my game, so they are free to leave immediately and waste no time whatsoever.

@RedBeardedGiant

Thats very much a you problem. And no reason to impose a more abusable system on EVERYONE else.
As host you already have the power to use the nuclear option and ruin it for everyone. No need to extend this to arbitrary kicking.

Lobby names, improved lobby browser, all good ideas. This one not so much.

Votekick system is far more abusible. It allows a couple of griefers to join your own game that you host, grief you and vote against the kick, effectively rendering the game host powerless.
Not only that, but it does not protect against power-hungry people who will manage to kick you despite it.
Votekick system is hopeless, unfair and protects griefers.

[Frostysir]

@1184

They do. Unless they are Dice-based, then you get no moderation and tons of cheaters lol

Hit up google and look, latest ones do not, system was removed due to too much abuse except in such games with privately hosted/owned servers that kept it. Most company kept servers did not though.

@1184

Taking tomes/grims is not required to finish the mission. On the contrary.

I didnt state that its explicitly needed to take them, however, if there is a prevailing culture that “always do this for profit” that gets followed pretty much all the time then you reasonably cant get salty about people wanting to do it.

@1184

Game seldom states that.

It doesnt actually state it anywhere but it is bloody obvious, cata and legend got the same loot but legend is obviously much easier and safer. Thus naturally all the dedicated farmers will be sitting down there. Or possibly in premades in cata.

Champion? Champion has significantly worse loot.

@1184

That’s not much to ask.

It is if the…i´ll just call it mode for ease of conversation, if the mode is the only one where you can reasonably farm high level gear.

@1184

Nah, I don’t want to circumvent bad design by playing on a specific difficulty. I just want the game to be improved.
It needs lobby names and admin kick.

…How does a lobby name change much? Isnt that just a bad replacement for a “no-books” filter or such if that´s what you wanted? And admin kick will only really benefit yourself if hosting but you´ll still get the very short end of the stick in all other cases.

@1184

Votekick system is far more abusible. It allows a couple of griefers to join your own game that you host, grief you and vote against the kick, effectively rendering the game host powerless.
Not only that, but it does not protect against power-hungry people who will manage to kick you despite it.
Votekick system is hopeless, unfair and protects griefers.

Votekick leaves host vulnerable to premade griefers, hostkick makes everyone vulnerable to any as*hole that happen to host. The latter is overwhelmingly superior in numbers if you are playing the game normally. Given that premade griefers are bloody damn rare.

But of course in your eyes everyone looks like a griefer for wanting to play legend in the normal way, full books that is. If people really did prefer to skip books then you wouldnt have such big problems with kicking those “odd ones out” that insist on tomes and/or grims when you host.

[BFCInsomnia]

@1184

The fact that I host the game does.

See, that’s where you’re wrong.

You can try and justify your elevated power by the fact that if you quit, the game ends. If I however joined your game and you’re the only one not wanting to pick up grims, I’d be happier if you quit.

@1184

Host your own game where you can set your own rules and play in peace.

That is fair enough and exactly why I have to host most of the games I play. Most other hosts have some sort of delusion of grandure and think they own the lobby.

@1184

I’m not going to circumvent the issue this way because that’s utterly dumb and doesn’t fix the issue at all.

The best way would be to just play Cata…

You don’t seem to realize that the problem here isn’t the game or how the vote-kicking works, the problem is you.

People cannot be reasonably expected to make sensible decisions in an online, no consequences environment. Making it a majority vote is the only way to prevent some powerhungry host from taking out his illogical rules out on others.

It’s way more likely that a community will have similar principles when it comes to enforcing vote-kicking over leaving it up to chance that a random host shares your views and is an impartial judge, jury and executioner.

@1184

I have never kicked anyone for no good reason.

@1184

I want to play without picking up grimoires

@1184

Mission host should have total power over who they play with.

I’m sorry but do these statements all put right next to one another, make it look like I can expect you to be a sensible person when it comes to someone wanting to play the game the way it was meant to be played?

In a game where randoms are petty enough to turn around and shoot you with a longbow after having hit them with a single tick of beamstaff fire (which did 0.25 damage to their THP), you’d have to be crazy to try and tell me that the host should have the power to boot whomever, whenever for made up reasons that nobody needed to agree to!

@1184

All I want is to be able to play on my own hosted game in peace

There’s a mod for that…

@1184

without a system that protects griefers.

The kind of griefers you refer to here, are so rare, they essentially do not exist.

I also find it very funny that you claim that even if this happens, which is an astronomically sized “if”, that the host is powerless in that situation…

You can just leave the game and block them afterwards???

[OrsonMaxwell]

@BFCInsomnia

You can just leave the game and block them afterwards???

Well, it would mean you’d have to go back to keep and start over. Which is incidentally exactly what a person would go through if he joined OP’s Leg lobby to farm vaults and got kicked for carrying books. But it’s ok because its that person’s fault, OP doesn’t consider abandoning his lobby a viable solution to his, ahem, problem.

[BtheLee]

Cataclysm is for non-book runners, legendary is for book runner. That’s kinda just the fast and loose rules of QP, if you don’t want books you set your matches to “private” or you play with friends… You don’t get to command people in an open lobby, you merely get to suggest. It’s not YOUR party, you didn’t invest anything into opening it outside of just clicking a button (which anyone can do). You’ve invested nothing except a button press into creating the party and so the only choice you get to make is what map you get to play and even then, if you already have people there it’s no longer just YOUR party. If you want it to be YOUR party then close it off to the public and make it invite only.

These are just the guidelines players play by in vermintide, if you can’t abide i know a place for ya…