Mission host should have total power over who they play with.
The votekick system we have right now leads to absolutely ridiculous and toxic situations where the host holds no power over griefers.
For example, if I want to play without picking up grimoires and I tell everyone who joins not to pick any up and someone does it anyway and refuses to drop it, whenever I votekick them all it takes is a single person to vote no.
In that situation I as a host can:
a) try to kill the person and risk the situation devolving into something very toxic and unplayable
b) leave the match, start a new one and pray to Sigmar that I do not encounter another griefer because I am powerless against them
As you can see the actual system is ridiculous, toxic and thereâs not a single argument thatâd make it better over what all the other games do - which is just giving the host total power.
The system is already vastly much more abusable the way it is now.
Almost every other game has force kick for host instead of votekick and itâs much better, even with all its drawbacks.
No it is not, if host can kick whoever they please we will end up with people going like âYou did 1 FF damage to me, F youâ and then kicks. Or they go âyour build sucksâ or âI dont like that careerâ âThat weaponâ and on and on. Fathark even had to add safeguards to the current system to prevent premades abusing the votekick to kick other players near the end of a game because that was a thing happening because people are assholes.
Heck, we even have other precedents. Like in Payday 2 where host had kick rights but that was actually removed exactly because of such reasons, too many abusers. Votekick isnt perfect but it does reduce this kind of crap, to some extent.
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As for other games that allow host full authority now, i cant say i can really recall which ones that do aside from DRG, vote or even no kick is more common i believe.
Someone picking up the grimoire when you ask them not to isnt a griefer, they just arent doing what you asked. Frustrating, yes, griefing, no.
Just because you host, its not your game, youre simply the lobby host. If you want to host a private lobby then use these forums or reddit or something to make a LFG group with the proviso that no grims are to be picked up. Then if someone joins agreeing but continues to pick up grims, yes, that would be griefing.
Otherwise, pubs are pubs. You cannot control people.
Im really glad its a votekick, because I think there would be far more toxicity in the game with a hostkick since as soon as someone doesnt play the exact way the host wants, they would be at hosts mercy.
I really doubt that. People donât votekick for FF unless the person who does FF is deliberately griefing.
Never heard of anything like that happening.
That can still exists in a normal kick system. Thatâs what Deep Rock Galactic does, too.
I can give you more examples of me being screwed over by this system while being the host than examples of me being kicked in other games which have a normal, healthy and rational kick system.
Yes it is. Because they do something that impacts me negatively.
True. But if we had a normal kicking system then this wouldnât be true and I would be the âgame hostâ and have more rights and be able to play properly with random people without fear of griefers ruining my game and me not being able to do anything about it.
Should be able to. You can in DRG and it works great. You canât in V2 and itâs garbage.
There would be far less toxicity. Even if the host ended up kicking someone, there would be no further aggression between the two.
So youâre saying that if I donât want to play the game with grims, I should just accept that I get defeated by griefers and get screwed over? Nice. L take, literally.
I donât want to use a 3rd party software to make the game playable without fear of griefers that are protected by the system.
I acknowledge the fact that if host kick was a thing, people would abuse it.
But people abuse votekick even more now than itâd be abused if it was host kick.
If we had host kick and a griefer or two joined my game, I could simply kick them and continue playing. That would protect me as a host - the player who spends the most time in that match. Would that mean people would be able to abuse the kick? Sure, but not any more than theyâre now. With the votekick system we currently have griefers are invincible because if they have a friend, they can just vote no and Iâm screwed. It defends the griefers.
Try playing on Champion or Legend (less prevalent on Legend) and not picking up tomes - you WILL be kicked. You WILL be called names. The fact that thereâs a votekick doesnât help with this at all.
And anyone who cannot grasp that is delusional.
Thereâs a reason why most games still go for host kick rather than vote kick.
A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately and intentionally irritates and harasses and annoys other players within the game by using aspects of the game in unintended ways in order to destroy something another player made or built, or stealing something, such as items or loot, when that is not the primary objective. A griefer derives pleasure primarily, or exclusively, from the act of annoying other users.
Doesnt sound like you had a griefer, just that someone did something you didnt like, which is not griefing.
But we thankfully dont, so it is true.
I disagree.
Again, just your opinion. I disagree completely.
Im assuming you came from a game where someone picked up grims and you lost then decided to make a forum post about it.
Have a good day buddy. I hope in future you get people in your games who align more with your playstyle.
If I host my own game and say âno grimâ and someone picks up a grimoire anyway then theyâre doing it deliberately.
Despite me saying I donât want them to do it as a host.
We should, because actual system is garbage that protects griefers.
I donât particularly care. If a couple of griefers decided to join my game just to shoot me, then I cannot do anything about it except for abandoning the mission on the spot. Because this system protects them.
Nope, itâs a fact.
Nope. I come here from games where someone picked up grims despite me telling them not to, several times. And then not being able to kick them.
Itâd be a better day if we had a host kick system.
Also I donât want to âhopeâ to have a good game. I want a good game. Votekick makes it worse.
Thatâs because you donât encounter the same issues as I do and as such your world is invaluable.
Reasonable people do not, yes, problem is, reason isnt always abundant. Majority might not be like that butâŚimagine that those that ignore your request about not taking grims because they feel like it, also being the types that would kick people when they feel like it? Because they âFeelâ like someone has offended them somehow?
You really wana give people like that more power? Getting kicked every third or every forth game because some arse went on a powertrip?
âHe took grim! .â
âHe took my heal .â
âWasted ammo .â
âOP b*llshit build no fun .â
" Didnt follow/do what i said"
I have seen it a lot, and i suspect most people keep their builds private because of it. And i mean, similar enough things have happened if another game had the feature but actually just outright removed it while citing abuse.
Payday 2 ladies and gents.
This system punishes powermongering hosts more than it does the general populace-⌠by blue balling them.
Healthy and rational kick system? I honestly do not know of any game except DRG that uses host-kick. I know several that do not . And i know one that removed it.
Totally valid and historically proven points against this feature already presented.
My two cents: maybe give the host like a 1.5 votes instead of 1 so a pair of griefers cannot overpower hostâs vote, but three people can still ditch whatever stupid vote a griefing host might initiate?
Yes, I do. Itâd be worth it, thereâs no doubt about it.
And I wouldnât be getting kicked every 3rd match because some arse went on a powertrip.
I already get kicked every 3rd match because some arse wants me to pick up a tome.
And the votekick system doesnât do crap about it.
If they want to kick me then most of the time they will succeed, even with the votekick.
With host kick at least Iâd have more control over my own game and wouldnât need to worry about the game protecting the griefers.
Right now the best thing I can do is to potentially take a detour every time I play with a random player just so I can grab the grim and immediately throw it away.
Most people keep their builds private because thatâs literally the default setting for it.
By default it makes it private to anyone but your friends.
I get CONSTANTLY kicked by powermongering hosts who want me to pick up a tome. Votekick doesnât help with that.
In addition to that, I canât host my own game with my own rules because votekick defends people who donât care and just do whatever they want.
Literally any multiplayer/MMO game that has a party/squad/mission system.
Having votekick is like allowing the criminal to be one of the judges. Itâs toxic, delusional and more harmful than what every other game does, which is a normal host kick system.
,âŚThis means the other players in the match are joining the vote against you i believe? I presume that since we are talking tomes&grims we are also talking legend.
Most people playing legend do be grinding that loot, ofc they gonna be kicking anyone that they feel gets in the way.
WoW uses votekick, Final fantasy uses votekick, Terra votekick, black desert uses votekick.
The way the game is made now, most people want to take tomes and grimoires. They will vote against you if you refuse to take one and you will be kicked. This constantly happens to me.
Hosting my own game would completely fix this issue, except when someone picks up a grimoire and then I canât get enough votes to kick them, my experience is ruined.
Then this isnt a powermongering host, its you going against the majority and getting hit for it, welcome to Democracy. Freedom special leaves the country in ruins.
Legend 100%, and of course they wana do it, legend is the optimal mode for risk/reward/time farming. What you want is some sorta alternate hosting where you can select to host a legend game without grims or tomes, even if that practically means never having teamamtes.
Go play cata, people sometimes grab a tome, grim once in a blue moon. One rare ass might flame you for taking a tome over a heal.
