Yeah, I don’t want democracy in my game. I want to have total control over my own hosted game, so I can protect myself against griefers. My own turf, my own rules. They can take grimoires in their own game.
I don’t care, I don’t want my own hosted game ruined because “they wanna do it”. I want tools that don’t force anything upon them but allows me to play the game with my own rules.
I would have teammates, because there are people who don’t mind playing without grim.
Regardless - having a mode like that would be good. Very good. But I doubt Fatshark would want us to have that choice.
And still wouldn’t fix the issue of two griefers joining your game and killing you.
What would be even better is an option to pick whether you want a host kick or vote kick system and people would know which one you have before joining. But that wouldn’t make sense… Why? Because everyone would pick host kick system, because votekick is BS.
What kind of solution is that? The game’s fkin broken, it just needs a host kick option.
Again - having a vote kick system is like allowing the criminal to be part of the judging system. Or rather allowing their friends to be part of it.
The actual system defends griefers and it doesn’t stop power-hungry people from yeeting you out for no good reason, as I experience it first-hand almost every day.
There’s not more absuse in the traditional host kick system (which many games still adopt) and it serves to protect the game against grouped griefers better, in addition to inherently giving the host more freedom over their own game.
Except those same people probably do not mind also having tomes and grims, so they would probably not go out of their way to join games without. Especially not with weekly and daily quests encouraging one to grab those for more shillings.
True, i have seen this, once. Just once though, and after 1 block i never saw either of em again.
There is only one game that runs with host kick that i know of, no other game does, majority of MMO´s certainly do not and there’s a big name game that outright removed it.
It certainly doesnt look like there´s any kind of majority favor behind that system.
IF you tilt because people grab grims that you dont want, or try to make you do so for them, in a mode where grabbing those is highly encouraged, play a mode(difficulty rather) where that doesnt happen more than once in a blue moon?
“Most games” appears to be a b*llshit claim, i can only find 1 that does, majority of really big MMO´s use vote. A few do not have kicks at all like Blade&soul or warframe.
And at this point, vote kick is the traditional system because that is what WoW uses, WoW is the freaking tradition of most of these systems at this point.
They wouldn’t differentiate + that’d be my problem. And personally it’d be a much smaller problem than what we have now.
And I’ve never seen people being powerhungry and kicking others just for a bit of friendly fire or something else equally unreasonable. Except for tome refusal. Which is the only thing I was ever kicked for. And many times.
In WoW if you don’t want someone in your party you can just kick them.
And Company of Heroes series. And Minecraft. And Battlefield. And Barony, Gauntlet, Magicka, Borderlands, Helldivers, Streets of Rogue, Terraria, theHunter: Call of the Wild, Valheim and MANY, many other games that I don’t remember exactly or can’t recall rn which use host kick system but I don’t remember, becuase that way it’s normal and I don’t pay attention to it. Which is probably why you can’t recall any games. That’s just how it’s supposed to be.
The only one game which use vote kick system that I can remember? L4D2. And just like in Vermintide - it didn’t help much there.
It doesn’t look like there’s any majority favor behind votekick system either.
So… You’re saying I shouldn’t be playing the difficulty I want to? Are you saying this is the perfect solution for that issue?
I wanted to learn to play BH because I never played him so I took him on Champion and Legend… But I guess I’ll go straight to Cata, thanks!!!
Maybe retail WoW because I’ve played it on private servers for years and never ever heard of a votekick system in WoW. I’m certain WoW didn’t have votekick system before anyway. Also - who the heck plays retail WoW anyway? Garbage dead game.
Kinda. Honestly, this is why I run max corruption resistance in pubs. Because people are chaos.
Your solution here is to host a private game and go to LFG forums. Its not ideal and not something I can be bothered doing so I understand if its not a solution that makes you happy.
Its why I usually take stuff that mitigates the chaos of pub games or just go with the tide and accept my fate.
Outside dungeons, yeah, that´d be about irrelevant though. You cant kick people in raids either unless its entirely premade, or a vote i believe.
Company of heroes : Fairly sure you cant actually kick people in any meaningful way once a match has started, it only works in pregame lobbies if i recall.
Other games : All these games have one thing in common with minecraft unless i am mistaken, and that is that they are server based, meaning the entire server tends to be centered around the host who can even outright own the server and implement their own rules. Of bloody course the host can kick people.
I perfectly recall the MMO´s, and other games that are not so server-host based, using votekick, because that is generally the less abuse-prone option.
Games that have servers hosted by the game owners like Killing floor 2 strongly tend towards votekicks. Big open lobbies like battlefield or call of duty…tend to not have kicks at all? Huh.
MMO´s are currently outnumbering anything else listed here by a lot. And as far as i know, none allow host-kicks or leader kicks in PUB dungeons or such which is the only time it really matters.
You should, if playing legend and going crazy over people doing what they basically supposed to do is a problem. Its a teamgame and legend is the designated farmground. You do not play with the team then its normal that they´ll dislike you a lot.
So go to cata and try, you might not do well but you can honestly just admit that you are testing a build or such and people wont really pay attention 8 outa 10 times.
…Yes, the retail version has used votekick since TBC if i recall correctly, WoTLK at the latest. As for why this is relevant despite myself also not playing it? This is pretty much the ancestor of Westen fantasy games at this point so all its systems tend to get copied by other MMO´s in particular.
Exception being games like minecraft where a server is often centered on the host who thusly gains max authority from that. Its a choice to join them though and you wont be thrown in by a pub finder while expecting standard rules.
just block them via steam no need to give kick to host, i mean i encountered more toxic hosts than players. Host is going solo, but the party stays together, host goes crazy in chat because he died and such things.
Hostkick wont change this imo, it will just make it more toxic as more people kick for their own arbitrary reason i.e. people who feel others use the wrong build or weapon, zealots who dont want healed, speedrunners when people wont keep up, people who feel someone runs off a bit much, people who dont respond in vc or comms, people who ignore heals, people who use too many heals, bombs etc etc
As for naming lobbies, thats a great idea imo and I think it would be a solution to your problem
I see, maybe you should see it like that, you are hosting a game for all, and you are not hosting your game. You are not making the rules in a coop game only because you are the host. If you have nice people they will care, but everyone is equal even in your lobby.
They do. Unless they are Dice-based, then you get no moderation and tons of cheaters lol
Taking tomes/grims is not required to finish the mission. On the contrary.
Game seldom states that.
I play with the team. I just don’t want to take tomes because I don’t need loot and I don’t want to be crippled because someone else wants a thin slice of a chance more to get a different loot color.
And I don’t want to have grimoires in my own hosted game because I want to play the game in the normal way and not always die to a single hit because I am at 30% max HP.
That’s not much to ask.
Nah, I don’t want to circumvent bad design by playing on a specific difficulty. I just want the game to be improved.
It needs lobby names and admin kick.
Never had that happen. I do get kicked for not taking tomes regularly, though.
That’d be just as toxic. If they don’t kick them then they’re just going to be toxic in chat and potentially grief them (friendly fire etc).
I don’t play Zealot but I think people who heal Zealot who doesn’t want to be healed deserve a boot lmao
What is more deserved though is the ability for Zealot to turn his GHP into THP on demand, like flagellation or something. Only Fatshark can ever fix that issue.
I’ve never kicked, been kicked for nor seen anyone kicked for the things you mentioned.
I’ve only seen people being kicked for long AFK, once for FF griefing iirc and myself I was kicked a dozen times for refusing to take tome and once for being very offensive towards russians.
It would be. Until someone joins just to pick up a grimoire and I cannot kick them because votekick system defends them.
Exactly my point. Neither have I. But I can see it happening when the host can quietly and without warning just boot you. Instead, they know they have to initiate a vote which means its democratic.
The only time I ever see votekick is when someone goes afk for quite a while and then people usually, 4/5 times, have no problem voting on it too, I know I do. But I like to give people a chance, we have lives and sudden things can happen etc.
Other than that, I dont see people being toxic very often and even if they are, I tend to mute them (Im on PSN, so no typing either). Most of the time Im not on vc unless streaming so toxicity really hasnt been an issue for me.
Maybe Im lucky, idk, as Im certainly not a top player, I never get the best scores unless Im in low difficulty (which I play semi-often to relax) and then I enjoy just carrying people.
I can only see things being worse with a hostkick. Id much prefer a filter for no-book runs or naming lobbies, as I think even though people are chaotic, they are chaotic good or neutral. Mostly people are not malicious, just ignorant or unaware.
