Transition to Mastery System & Value of Blessing Library

Hello - so I’ve been lobbying to get the exact numbers for how the mastery system will work for a while. And I am frustrated that we’re less than a week from launch and still don’t have the details of this information.

For context, I’m approaching 700 hours played. Character levels are as follows:

  • Psyker - 173
  • Veteran - 109
  • Zealot - 109
  • Ogryn - 37 (sorry big fella, I really haven’t played you much!)

For most of the characters, when it comes to weapons I typically have multiple “good” weapons with a base over 370 and the perks + blessings I want for a particular build. Mostly the blessings wanted are at Tier 4, but sometimes at Tier 3.

On a whim, I went through my blessing library for all weapon families and tabulated the "% complete" they are. This calculation was based on giving blessings a value in points equal to their tier level, since we’ve been told that higher tier blessings will count more (i.e. a Tier 4 blessings is worth 4 points, Tier 3 = 3 points, etc.). How much specifically we don’t know unfortunately. We also don’t know how many mastery points are needed in total to achieve maximum mastery or how many mastery points are needed to be able to unlock tier 4 blessings.

Note - The first number under a tier is how many blessings I have of that tier, and the second number is the total number of blessings available at that tier

What’s frustrating about knowing these details is that I’m sitting on many weapons with higher value unextracted blessings - since the weapons are good and usable. If I were to extract them now, then it might set me up to be able to get higher in mastery and be able to re-apply those blessings to other good base level items that I have sitting around, thereby jumpstarting my mastery level better. But without knowing the numbers I don’t know the extent to which this will actually help or not.

For instance, the chart shows me being at 61% complete for Force Sword blessings today. I have a number of force swords lying around with various unextracted blessings. How many of those do I extract now to get me at max mastery for force weapons? What % complete do I need to get to?

For Tactical Axes I’m over 80% complete with blessings - which is hilarious since I barely use the tactical axe (although it IS good). Is 80% enough to max mastery?

For weapons in the middle grounds, say a Heavy Sword or or the Purgatus staff (around 50% each), is this enough to at least unlock Tier 4 blessings under the new systems so I can reapply 1 or 2 tier 4 blessings back onto new weapons? The specific numbers matter here because if I extract blessings now, but don’t get enough mastery in the process to get back up to the desired blessings I already have in my current library then I’m literally going backwards in the conversion process by sacrificing a good weapon for little gain - and a weapon I’d be better off keeping and using to level up mastery through play after the update.

This is a lot of detail - and I’m probably overthinking the impact of all of this. But given that I’ve been waiting nearly two years for this moment, I’m excited but also anxious about the transition and want to know what to expect. I fully realize that despite my playtime (700 hours about) for many weapon families I won’t get much of a headstart on mastery because I don’t have a lot of the blessings today. But for weapons I’ve played a LOT, I’m worried I won’t even be able to take advantage of the crafting changes (i.e. removal of locks) because I still won’t get enough mastery to have equivalence to where I am with blessing availability today.

Anyone else feeling this way?

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Have you added the new blessings from the upcoming patch to your denominators?

I had a spreadsheet like this. Deleted once I saw how easy they would be to get after the crafting update.

No, I didn’t account for the new blessings. Wouldn’t that just make the calculations worse (increasing denominator would reduce the % complete)?

And how would the new blessings make this is all easier?

Yup! :smiling_imp:

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You should check their two itemization update posts in the Announcements section.

But from what I know, a full set of T4 blessings should get you almost 100% mastery for that weapon family. Could’ve been you needed a tiny bit on top of that. The value of each blessing is scaled to tier so T4 are worth more than T3, etc.

It doesn’t help ofc. since your blessings are all over the place so it’s hard to say whether 50% of T2-3 blessings are worth as much or more than 50% of T4 blessings. But still.

However I would point out that just trading off blessings from otherwise fantastic weapons may not be the best idea either. We can choose which blessings we pick as we level them, so ideally you’d want to hold on to your best weapons & blessings, and then focus on the new stuff you don’t yet have. That way you have access to both pools and can combine them as you like, until unlocking them all ofc.

Also iirc you don’t have to unlock all previous tiers before moving on to the next one either. It was more like “you need x T1’s to unlock T2, then x T2 to unlock T3’s” etc. So if we assume a good half of the blessings aren’t that interesting, you can probably unlock most or all of the strong T4 blessings even without full mastery. :smile:

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I added another column at the end that assumes you would hit max mastery with 100% of Tier 4 blessings or the equivalent in points, assuming Tier 4 = 4 pts, Tier 3 = 3 pts, etc.

The situation looks a lot better this way. But we’ll see once the numbers are shared.

I remember Strawhat commenting something like all T4 and 1/3 of T3 getting you to full mastery. I’m too lazy to search for the comment.

It doesn’t matter that much tho if you have a lot of playtime. After the update you can burn weapons for mastery XP so you just buy and burn a bunch of weapons to fill out what isn’t maxed out.

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You and I are the same.


this is a bit outdated tho i completed two more trees since

Try applying this with the T4 = 4pts etc weighting and imo include the new blessings in the calculation

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Why would we include the new blessings in the calculation? You can’t 100% the Tier 4 blessings pre-patch if you account for the new blessings.

If you have currently 100%'d the Slab Shield blessings, which only has FOUR blessings, are you thinking that it wouldn’t translate to 100% mastery in the new system because there will be 12 (??) blessings available in the new system? If so, it means for items with low blessing pools it would be impossible to master them on the transition, which I don’t think would be case. That royally sucks for those weapons if it does work that way.

If anyone wants to mess around with the template that I made, I added a few things to it. You can make your own copy and plug in your numbers. Doesn’t take too long to tally it all

We’re using a lot of assumptions here and I think it is the safer assumption. Your goal is to avoid the new unlock mechanic for as many weapon families as possible. You are not alone but the design goal is to migrate blessings in such a way that players do not feel they have lost progress. Migrating four slab shield blessings to twelve blessings goes a bit beyond preserving progress.

Regarding the target you are aiming for in your spreadsheet. I would use the same weighting as you because it matches how item level is calculated atm. If you apply your weighting system to Strawhat’s comment then you only need to have learned 50% of the maximum points to achieve full mastery in that family. This forces a further assumption though: Either the actual points value per blessing varies wildly from family to family OR it is 50% of a typical blessing family.

For a conservative estimate I would recommend modelling using the expanded pools and setting a target per weapon family of 50% of the average max points for all weapon families. If you max out more than that on the day then you’re happy with the gift.

Edit: One of the dev intents is to normalise the number of blessings per family. That might influence some of the assumptions above.

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Don’t expect a big cross over unless youre one of those players who get every single blessing ; from T1-4. Time truly is money to Fatshark afterall.

IIRC, there will be 12 blessings per family, and assuming point values are 1/2/3/4 based on Tier, each family has a max of 120 points in the new system. Depending on the weapon, even maxing everything today prior to the update could mean you won’t hit 50% of the new pool. Seems… not the way to go.

Running this scenario on my table means only have three weapons under the new system with over 50% of the points (Headhunter and Infantry Autogun and Force Swords) - and that’s mostly because those blessing pools are already pretty big. Something with a more average number of blessings, maxing all of tier 4 and some of tier 3 won’t even get you to 50% under the expanded blessing - which I feel goes against what FS has been communicating this whole time, if this is the case.

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I just replied to the Itemization Overview dev blog about this topic, so I’m gonna cross post here!

For the first point:

Yes, if you’re maxed out a blessing only using the Tier 3/4 blessing, having the Tier 1/2 of that blessing will not provide an overage.

The reasoning behind this is we saw that a lot of players might not have those Tier 1/2 blessings. They might only have the Tier 3/4 of those blessings. And it wasn’t possible for those players to go backwards and get them now at max level. So we weighted the Tier 3/4 higher. We did not want to punish players.

For the second point:

This is not the case. Mastery Migration is based only on the old blessing library. New blessings will not count towards that pool and dilute the Mastery XP gained.

So even if a weapon family is receiving 4 new blessings in this patch, a player that has every existing weapon unlocked at T3/T4 will still receive maximum Mastery progress.

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Thanks for the cross-post too!

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Yes! This I feel is a fantastic way to look at it! Bc we know just all T4 / partial other blessings means full Mastery → The migration is a massively net-positive exchange.

To put it in other words: No matter what you have unlocked rn, you’ll be able to afford more blessings after the migration than what you had before. I think that’s the best takeaway everyone worried about this should focus on.

(Disclaimer: T1-2 blessings might be an exception - we just don’t know -, but it’s unlikely, and anyone who isn’t a fresh lvl 30 doesn’t really have to care about that anyway)

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