Conversion to the Mastery System: Fatshark Pulled (another) Fast One

So I’ve been a bit obsessed with wanting to track and understand how the conversion from our new system to the mastery system was going to work. Overall, I have been supportive of the change to the new system. But I’ve also had my concerns regarding the details how this will all work.

As evidenced by posts, “bug reports” and new topics popping up now that we’re out of the maintenance period on the update, there are surprises in store for everyone about how much “less progress” they have in reality versus how much they assumed they’d be getting.

I’ll dig into details in a moment - but I gotta ask: Fatshark, why are you so hellbent on trying to screw over your players at every turn? You’re awful at setting expectations, even worse at sticking to them, and all the while oblivious to what your player base wants.

Alright, back to the mastery system.

We were sold on this new system in part because we were assured that our current blessing libraries would translate into the mastery system in a faithful manner where if you 100%'d the blessings for a given weapon, that you’d max the mastery out of the gate.

As is quite apparent, this isn’t the case. And for the vast majority of players that probably haven’t 100%'d a blessing family pre-patch, the amount of progress you can expect your blessings to translate into is markedly worse than what we were led to believe.

There are a number of substiles to the conversion process and new mastery system that drive this new reality. Understanding how this all works is made even more challenging because Fatshark was VERY slow to release details (no surprises) and even ended up changing their story multiple times over the course of things. More business as usual from Fatshark.

But let’s talk technical details. Below are all the subtle ways that Fatshark designed the conversion to not give people what they were led to expect:

#1) First of all, the NEW blessings that have been added to a weapon family count towards the total XP needed. So even if you 100%'d every blessing at every tier for a given weapon family, if one or more blessings were added you’ll be at less than max XP. 8/8 blessings translates to 8/10 (80% progress) in the new system for example. Fatshark clarified their original message on this AFTER the update rolled out. Nice one.

#2) We were told that having most of the Tier 3 or Tier 4 blessings would be enough to max out the XP. Ignoring point #1 above, this is also not misleading. Each blessing (across its four tiers) can only count towards 1/X of the XP progress (where X is the number of total blessings). So having Tier 3 and Tier 4 for ONE blessing ends up being worth less than if you had Tier 3 on one blessing and a Tier 4 on a different one. In practice, this means that if you were trying to focus on 3-4 key blessings (i.e. the good ones) under a weapon, the “overage” in XP you get for having multiple blessing tiers is lost. This sets your progress back even further.

#3) The amount of XP Tier 1 and 2 blessings provide is unclear and likely quite low. When pressed for numbers, Fatshark said they couldn’t reveal those numbers. Go figure. So anyone that was chasing Tier 1 and Tier 2 blessings in the run up to the patch probably got very little value out of it.

#4) We were told initially that each new blessing tier would require investing 5 blessing points in the prior tier. Meaning 15 points were needed to unlock Tier 4. This is NOT true, and was later corrected that Tier 3 requires 7 points and Tier 4 requires 8 points. Great. So now getting Tier 4 blessings are even further away. Instead of needing 15 points, now you need 20 points.

#5) And of course, blessing points are not awarded linearly in the mastery track. You typically need to get about 75% of the way through the track now to be able to unlock Tier 4 blessings and earn one.

So what is the net effect of all this? What sounded great on paper means in reality that for most players they have actually LOST progression on items. If you have access to a few Tier 4 blessings and didn’t have your blessing library near its max, then chances are you won’t even have enough mastery to unlock tier 4 blessings period, let alone all the tier 4 blessings you may have had.

Fatshark - why all the cloak and daggers? Why make a system that flagrantly disregards the expectations you established with your players earlier?

There is/was so much excitement around “finally locks being removed” yet you’ve erected a giant grindwall for most of us to be able to actually apply blessings now that the locks are removed. There are some concessions, like being able to sacrifice weapons. But the whole system just feels laced with contempt for your players and fans. Why? And why be so cagey and non-forthright with what the system looks like?

Long term, this will be a change for the best - but how it was all rolled out and handled was sadly par for the course for Fatshark.

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Jokes on you. I wasn’t. And as usual my expectations were fullfilled.

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lol, oh boy. All I got were tier 3&4 blessings… All in all, I havn’t played yet and will be going to the store to get popcorn to see how players feel after experiencing the new content.

FFS.

Strawhat. I’m not blaming you for this. But either you lied to us, or someone lied to you.

Find whoever is responsible for this.

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The performance & sync & crash issues haven’t left me with a lot of time to look into any of this but I got full Mastery on every single weapon so far. The only ones I haven’t checked yet are on my oggy.

I know I didn’t have most of the T1’s and many T2’s either, not even all T3-4’s for the newer weapons, and I sure didn’t have any of the new blessings either. So from my PoV it worked about exactly as I expected? Ofc having most T3’s and T4’s means I don’t really know how accurate the “all T4’s and some others on top should earn full Mastery” is, but it certainly seems close.

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I dont see an issue, and I dont think Strawhat was lied too.

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This might be a bug, but for some reason i have every single mastery maxed out on every weapon on every character with the exception of the weapons that got shared to new classes (ex dueling sword to zealot and vet), even though i didnt have that many blessings unlocked before the update.

But hey, i aint complainin.

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Hi! It’s me, you friendly groxturdposter - I’ve had all of the blessings… (Proof)
I’ve mastered 20 out of 59 weapons on entry.

I’m absolutelly livid right now.

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Idk what you’re talking about. I llogged on my psyker and all my masteries were at 100% and I didn’t even unlock all of the blessings prepatch. I think it was tracking by how much XP you’ve earned with that weapon prepatch? Who knows.

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…I’m wondering if there’s some horrible glitch. You, of all people, should absolutely have all the blessings completely mastered.

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That sounds to me like a bug. I had every blessing unlocked and I had full mastery on literally every weapon in the game upon logging in.

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I, apparently, did not merit enough to have full masteries. Still, I have only played for 1,158 hours and I did routinely strip weapons of blessings to fill out the libraries. Apparently not enough though. Ho-hum.

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2850 hours with full blessings library.

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Can you post a screen shot of what your mastery levels look like?

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I played with the plasma gun for two months straight before taking a break a couple months ago. All Auric Mael, tons of wins yadayada

I log in, get all my points for all my classes…what’s this, Plasma gun was 10/20 mastery? recon las gun 20/20? A gun I never used besides maybe 3 games in my total Darktide career.

Yeah…no. Not happy.

This goes for a lot of other weapons I mained. My Heavy Sword isn’t 20/20 despite using this thing probably a 200 hours alone.

Whatever calculates mastery is seriously doodoo

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Sure - do you want a video or just screen shots?

Screen shot is fine of a coupe of the mastery windows showing the level your weapons are (coming from 100%'ing it before hand). Did you sacirifice or play to level up anything yet?

Same here :raised_hand:

Nope - nothing. No missions, no sacrifice.
I’ve have not started playing yet - too mad and shaky.
I did points distribution however, to get rid of the Emperor-damned “new feature” indicators.
Tard’ll be a tard.

Stand by for data package…

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It’s based off your unlocked blessings I found out.

So those of you who unlocked all the garbage 1,2,3 tiers get full mastery, and those that just unlocked tier 4s and played a weapon 100s of hours get basically no mastery.

Good job Fatshark