Too Much Masozi

If death Korps are generic WWI soldiers, catachans generic 80 action movie soldiers, cadians generic modern soldiers then Mordians were always generic napoleonic soldiers for me. But yes - their caps always reminded me of Prussian Landwehr uniforms. Although one of the coolest looking paintjobs for them simply applied USMC dress uniform colours.

First of all the Imperium spans over millions of worlds - most of which have never been named or featured in any lore snippet - how could GW then allocate accents to every one of them? Furthermore deducting from our world it is highly likely that on every world exist various sub dialects of the local form of low gothic depending on region and class. The variations to the gothic language in 40k are incomprehensible vast.
And I’m not aware that GW set any Dialects as canon for specific worlds. Let’s take audio books: Death Korps personal in the audible adaption of Steve Lyons’ Krieg speak with some kind of German accent - in the audible adaption of Sandy Mitchel’s the Greater Good they speak without any recognizable accents. I don’t think either variant has been declared canon by GW.
As others have already stated - one of the major selling points of the 40k universe is it’s openess to tell more or less any story you want on any world with any culture you could possibly imagine.

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they are very similar, and a military garb expert could probably pinpoint the origin cues, but my novice eye sees the overlapping cut of the franco troops to be closer to mordians,


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I’m more with Eisenfaust tbh.
Especially the cut of the jacket. The cap resmbles more the Prussian version and their strict disciplin is one of the stereotypes German soldiers are still confronted with today (out of personal experience).
And one of their main tasks to put down civil uprising on Mordia hints a lot to German military in the 1840s and the German monarchs and their tries to put down democratic movements

Exactly that is the point! That makes WH40k so rich and attractive and therefore dollar printing ;-).

One of the funiest things in the Novel “Krieg” to me is that it is mentioned that even though the planet was peaceful with high living standards (prior to the civil war that made it the deathworld it is “today”) the very name of the world means ‘war’ “in one of acient Terra’s languages” (<= German)

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English is very definitely dead in 40k. Gothic is a stand-in, the Faux-Latin isn’t actually old Latin given new life, it’s just base for representative gibberish.

Sure, in the Imperium being concerned about it, it’s a nonsense. But this is a forum with real people making observations about how lore accurate it would be to have fantasy people with those ranks giving us orders, or if having x or y accent would be correct in the setting.

I guess I just don’t see where Misozi’s accent or presence is more nonesense than is usual for cinematic storytelling devices or the 40k universe.

Again, the Rejects aren’t representatives of a Chamber Militant of the Inquisition, they’re not Stormtroopers, Sororitas, Astartes, or even Guardsmen. This is Grendyl’s war, run with Grendyl’s private army under his auspices as his own affair, and the warband is run more akin to a private business or organized crime cartel than a Guard regiment, where many hats are worn by disparate people.

Hence the comparison to Wagner and Bakhmut, where retired/disgraced Generals were personally flying strike missions to support convict mercenaries storming a salt mine filled with WW2 weapons at the behest of a former hot dog stand owner, who’s forces operated and were drawn from all across the world. Misozi being both pilot and acting Comms officer shouldn’t be a huge issue in a situation like that, nor should her accent being different be out of place.

More to the point, 40k is wildly inconsistent within its own lore, both intentionally and unintentionally, and different authors/games/animations/comics/etc can portray directly contradictory events and views, and it all changes over time. You can have one author write something where they note Imperial Law says Thou Shalt Not Do X, and another author will write a story or game will come out where they do X all the time. Dan Abnett, primary writer for this game, is somewhat famous for this. The entirety of the Space Wolves canon is a gigantic mess of mutually exclusive and directly contradictory traits and views where they can’t decide if they’re actually bloodthirsty killers or if its all a calculated act, if they’re total partybros looking out for the little guys or fanatical grimdark executioners of the Emperor’s Will. Guard regiments can be everything from battalions to entire army corps or even as shorthand for all troops from a given world. The Death Korps were famously brutally anti-psyker with no mention of their use from the point of their inception up until Fatshark came out with a Psyker skin for them. Etc ad nauseum.

London can be as cosmopolitan as it wants with people having accents of all kinds. That doesn’t change at all the existence of a british accent that is common and quite stablished in 40k.

Most “fantasy” stuff in general defaults to a British accent as a base, but 40k also makes it clear that its language and descriptions are a filter for modern readers (initially 80’s and 90’s era UK tabletop gamers) to understand, and isn’t supposed to be literally how or what people are speaking in the the 41st Millenium, which would be complete gibberish to them.

I guess I just don’t see where Misozi’s accent should stick out as an issue, particularly given the aforementioned context of Grendyl’s warband, and the array of other accents and ethnicities present in the lore and this particular game that are very definitely not British.

Someone should make a mod to remove her from the game. Ive been saying this since day one. She is annoying af. At least hallowette has some sort of personality. Masozi is just disgusting all over the place.

Thinking about it, this seems to be the case. They are a mixture of things from a certain period, just like Krieg.

I know of these discrepancies, personally I hate it. It should not be a thing as it invites confusion.

Is it? I always thought that it was more of thing like old spanish is hard (and sometimes straight impossible) to understand for a modern spanish speaker. It’s still spanish on it’s base (you can make out some of it) and even if it’s quite different, it’s not considered dead. When its said that a modern english speaker wouldn’t understand low gothic, I thought it was something like it.

Though I do see where some people are coming from (as I’ve said before), it’s not an issue for me personally, it makes me curious about her background still. Her accent being there just for the sake of it is… dissapointing? It certainly stands out and if stands out then I want more info, but that’s just me, my own wishes and opinions.

What I do care for is about her (and Hallowette) talking in moments when they shouldn’t.

I do guess that the Inquisition being the Inquisition can do whatever they want. I find it strange to have someone filling both roles, that’s it.

Side note: Would have been cool if they tried to emulate the real language and just give subtitles, just like how Warhammer 40K: Mechanikus replicated the Techpriest language nicely.

Lots of cool chances missed, but it’s nitpicky.



Pretty sure both Warhammer universes take their inspirations from WW1 and pre-WW1 / Czarian / German Empire / British Empire / French Empire heavily.
It’s also why this franchise attracted more diehard political crowds of both spectrums fighting over the source material.

I mean, even though this game has very few presets for character customization, you can rebuild a 1 to 1 replica of Chancellor Bismarck. Same hairstyle, same beard, same facial features. And many old French beard styles are also around.

Don’t tell me - Grendyl’s gonna start a rebellion, march on Terra, but suddenly come to an agreement with the High Lords of Terra after he reaches the Sol System, then finally the Mourningstar explodes and kills the entire Warband a few months later?

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only…a cheerful Indian chick tellig you it could be worse. She could be there with you.

I was under the impression NPCs were tied to different mission types? If so you can just play missions she isn’t tied to?

They are and aren’t. What CO is heading the mission is random. Masozi is in every mission pool except Ascension Riser 31 where Hallowette/Melk can annoy you instead.

Fair enough, I feel like that should be the case. Otherwise, this whole thread reads kinda sus, especially OP and a few others, whatever.

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