Strawmans don’t win wars or arguments but they do show how eager you are to stuff your point down someone else’s throat crudely without considering what has been said by the other party.
Nobody has said it would be ‘okay’ for a gun to have insta-kill bullets with infinite ammo, deleting every enemy on spawn. Using this strawman to ‘win’ the argument whilst speaking down to another individual with whom you disagree with, is not really a good example of showcasing your wit. Infact it’s probably doing the exact opposite.
And for the record, there’s nothing wrong with weapons being strong. Every weapon should be strong in practice, so there’s more viable choices, since right now nerfing the Power Sword without raising some of the other options up would actually reduce the viable pool of melee weapons available!
From what I can see however, with most people in the thread naysaying against the Power Sword, I don’t see any constructive criticism on how a nerf for the Power Sword should be carried out. All I’m seeing is, “Oh it’s too strong.”, “Oh it’s OP.”, but there’s very little on how to solve the problem, most of the content just consists of pointing out and whining towards the Power Sword and it’s current position.
It’s kind of unproductive ultimately, but hey, maybe the devs will bend their knee to reward the pointing and the jeering maybe!
Shovel cant even do good CC due to its heavy attack animation. yet also its single target damage & combo are bad.
Cadia Chainsaw sword have good single target damage, but its range does not make up for its damage, it makes you vulnerable to enemy attacks when using the chainsaw, yet its CC is very bad.
i would say buff Chainsaw sword, and Shovel. then we can start nerfing the power sword to acceptable stats.
People once again downplay the mobility stats of a weapon. Something that gets more important the higher the enemy count/difficulty gets.
The power sword has a shitty dodge range. I got one with 75% mobility and it still offers a -12.50% dodge distance. Having to charge it to do the job is also not exactly handy.
Why are the charging and the low mobility a problem on Vet? Well. When do you want to swap to your melee weapon as a vet? (Preferably never.)
Whenever you are under pressure. A bunch of Ragers waltzed around the corner with an Ogryn in the lead. Specials are making noises near you, while you are busy. A grenade got tossed near you. A barrel got ignited. Having to push a Pox. yada yada yada
Axes, and Knifes deal much better with those run ending scenarios and don’t lack damage either. Nerfing the Power Sword, a weapon that already cripples you severely for the extra wave and shield damage, makes no sense in my eyes.
Yeah, I have noticed that disadvantage of the weapon. My vet Lv is too low, and ungeared right now, so I can’t say Power sword is good or bad in 5 difficulty in person.
But Eviscerator has same number of dodge penalty. And it’s the one of viable weapon Zealot got in 5 difficulty. (I don’t say it’s good, I prefer Combat axe, tactical axe, and combat blade over that.) The question of balancing this weapon is that it is stronger even with -15~-13% dodge? Like I said I didn’t try it high difficulty by myself. I don’t have any opinion yet.
But, If there’s gonna some hefty damage nerf (hefty,at least 10% damage nerf + cleave nerf), then I think they should give some mobility at least +5% dodge so make it -15 to -5 like most of Ogryn’s weapon.
Frankly I feel like other weapons need to be more like it, if anything. Power weapons should absolutely last for more than one attack or you end up spending half the fight reactivating it. They shouldn’t have sound effects that grate on your ears every time you use them. And yes, they should cleave fantastically because that is what these weapons are meant to be for.
You feel the force sword cheated, no, it’s powerfull weapon for sure, very powerfull in t3, powerfull in t4, it does the job in t5.
I would like to know who tested ranger class in t5 with force sword cause … without it you r deadly f_cked up at contact. And anyway to exploit this weapon you need to have the time to activate power.
Nah this force sword is just good as it is, maybe should be nerf in lower lvl but that’s all.
PS : saw in the thread complain about power hammer, best weapon for t5 waves controle with monster burst activated + charge to 1shot elite, no it s not too weak and neednt a buff, just, dont expect to kill all the chaos monstrosity by your own guys it s teamplay game.
I say, reduce the special swings to 2 swings only, that should do the trick. It is pretty lame that you can activate “ignoring hit mass” with a button press. But as someone said, an attempt to bring all other weapons to the same level, will just create a balance nightmare. Just think about it one minute and you will realise that Fatshark will never even try that and i can understand that very well. Im very happy, that i dont have to address the balance of any game out there. Reducing the special swings to 2, is a simple and easy done fix, wich still keeps enough fun with the weapon i guess.
Man, most of time my 3rd swing is without the charge, i already do 2 swing / 1 dodge + charge. Seems we dont play the same game.
I think you are pretty wrong about the “hooo ther s 3 charges” no, ther s a timer, and in high difficulty combats are hard, you want to reduce the timer, you want to f_ck up the weapon. Cause i mean, you cant stay static like a t_rd HL during fight so you cant use 3 charges.
Pretty sure you dont understand the way to play, i agreen ther s some weapons who need a tweak done a topic about 2 of em.
But that you dont understand, is that there s many weapons, 4 classes, and skill tree, to vary the gameplay, and you cant judge anything without haveing play it in maximum difficulty.
You have to adapt your gear, you skill tree with your other teammate.
When i play with my force sword to save my life at close range ( just in case i’m the last alive, you know ? You see the situation ? Or you just prefer nerf for nothing a kill the game. ) and i’m in team with a flamer priest and psycher, i dont use it so much man, so what, lets nerf flamers next ?
Please just … please stop complain for nothing, play, just play at T5 and be happy.
I’d actually say in terms of balancing melee weapons, Fatshark at least when it came to Vermintide 2 were almost right on the money at least from what I can remember.
The issue with Darktide however, is that there is much more reliance on ranged combat in comparison to VT2 along with a few core changes to the defensive loops when mixed with attacking in melee.
A big issue I’d wager is due to a lot of the weapons not being able to take on trash mob hordes effectively since not only are they more common in Heresy and Damnation, they also have a lot more health per enemy which makes the weaker melee weapons not get picked as a result, so if anything they need to start buffing the weaker options first and foremost then consider what to adjust on the Power Sword.
The thing is, the Power Sword has crap mobility which can screw you over, especially since you need to keep recharging it which can be difficult if you aren’t in a very tight-knit group. During that window you can eat quite a few hits if you try to go through with the charge animation, which on higher difficulties will cost you.
Since like I’ve said earlier in this thread, without it being charged, the Power Sword is less effective than any other melee weapon in the game.
your gonna have to tell me which aspect you thinks a strawman , and again whose point you dont think i have considered . i cant guess.
exactly my point. it clearly wouldnt be would it?
it comes from here
now i considered this point and a clear and obvious flaw struck me. its obviously not true if theres no balance in a pve game it is boring , so i made this post.
it clearly would break the game wouldnt it? it would be just a boring walking simulator, so balance does matter.
Disagree , the other weapons are not unviable i cant think of a single one i couldnt use , i dont like the super fast ones myself to much clicking but people have said int his thread they use the dagger etc. reducing the power sword down to the level of other weapons wouldnt make it useless , just on par with the others. ive been using the shovel and chainsword on my vet lately
oh wait the zealots heavy swords they are terrible. but the vast majority of weapons are fine.
well i actually think its a bug not balance it seems quite clear the Cleave target and cleave damage stat are a magnitude or two too high bring them down to where they should be and it will still be a great just not silly.
the nerfs coming its plain as day, its just objectively broken , im not asking for the nerf, im warning people to expect it. to not be surprised .
well hes been offensive gone ad hom missrepresented my argument put words in my mouth , posted a silly meme so yeah my pool of respect for the guy or his opinion is pretty low.
ok so i cant play , dont understand there are weapons, couldnt count ot 4? and havent found the skill trees. let alone worked out how to equip gear and havent played all 4 classes at t5 dont have over 170 hours in the game.
damn man you could of just said you disagree!
odd that you feel that strong a need to invalidate my opinion , cant just disagree you need to go full i dont even have a right to an opinion, all ive said is the power swor dis far more powerful than any other weapon and thats enough to justify all these accusations? bit of an over reaction dont you think?
And i played over 200h only sharp shooter my friend, so yes, i counter argument like many other here but you dont wanna hear, maybe you think you are more intelligent or whatever, i dont care, just stop trying to kill the fun of many players juste cause YOU think blablabla.
I keep saying you are wrong power sword without powercharge is pretty useless and ther s MANY melee weapons who are immediatly VERY effectiv to do any job.
Power sword is a wave control killer just in case, at this point lets nerf immediatly flamers.
Please, stop being grotesc, a sort of ***** wanna oblige ppls to play like they see the game.
Well I can even do 4 swings with it, I guess you just don’t know how to play properly, but that’s another topic. The really important point is that they will most likely nerf this sword. I don’t really care because I don’t particularly like this weapon anyway. I just saw this thread and thought before they screw up the weapon for the ones who love it, I’ll offer a plain and simple solution. But if that’s not what you want, then try something else.
