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I think the phrase “doesn’t respect my time” is used primarily when it feels like a game is demanding more of your time than is fair, or more commonly, does not properly reward you for the time invested.
A good example of “doesn’t respect my time” for me, was the absurd grinding that Frontier Development expected of players in Elite Dangerous, to unlock things.
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I see.
well i cannot say i have full control over it all the time, but we all should learn to control how much time we spent.
I mean the Breakpoints are a thing i wont deny, but you can play up to Damnation with mediocre and ok gear if you’re skilled enough.
I mean i can do it, so most others should also be able to do it.
BiS gear to some degree is a trap, and because of OCD of some players or players who play more for progression than just playing because of the core gameplay it’s “abused” for player retention. I all get this, but i can controll it mostly.
I also want that 1% more dmg and that T4 blessing paired with right perks, but until i do just fine up to damnation without it.
Cant speak much about Auric, but i’öö give it a try without gear hitting the breakpoints.
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Yes basically when you feel something takes more time than could actually be justified. The current Darktide endgame for me is I can play the whole evening and end up with less materials, money and weapons since the current loop is spending resources on a chance of converting good weapon barebone into a viable endgame weapon. That’s basically pure gambling - you gamble your time. And if you had a bad luck the game is making sure they everything you put on stake is gone for good - it wastes your time.
You’re not progressing at all, in fact last 100 hours I regress quite a bit since I lost so many resources and greys it’s crazy.
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well lets all remember that it’s a videogame - nothing there that anyone have to do.
But i get what you want to say, people want to enjoy the “full game” and all of it’s content.
Again, not an Auric Player until, but Damnation just fine with ok gear.
I have a 365 weapon for example and not even the best blessings for it, but the distribution of modifiers is good and the blessings i have are also good and T4.
Not sure one needs BiS to beat Auric Damnation, i think not, so its like i said a trap to crave for BiS gear.
FS knows many progress gamers out there, many OCD gamers out there, many who cannot let go until everything is “perfect” and they use RNG for player retention because the chance you get a perfect 380 with ideal perks and blessings even with the crafting changes is miniscule imho.
I also stoppped playing last year because RNG and such, and it still can drive me crazy to see good grey or blue weapons consecrated to mediocre gold without the chance to really fix it, but i got over it for now.
Pretty soon that $70 will get you one set of ‘premium’ DT cosmetics!
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I guess the main issue is communication here, in Ghost Ship Games developers do “climb down” to the community.
While with Fatshark we got Community “Messengers” only, who are not involved in the development at all and just pass the messages from side to side.
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I would buy cosmetics from Darktide if they had more free earnable cosmetics, no fomo shop and bundles like V2.
You can buy the brand new video game Rogue Trader that has a playthrough time of about 100 hours for less than the amount it costs to buy the 4 Rogue Trader themed sets in Darktide.
Despite people complaining about GW prices all the time, you can buy a squad of Inquisitorial Agent Miniatures for Killteam for less than the cost of 4 different sets of digital cosmetics for your Inquisitorial Agents here, even.
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Not a valid argument: nobody has to gamble, it’s just how men work. Alcohol, gambling, drugs - it’s all voluntary, though regulated. Because addiction. This game use addiction practices.
I am auric t5 player mostly. Yes you can play but you won’t progress, there is a difference. I never said you can’t play, it’s just you okay for nothing except joy, everybody’s different. I am playing to gain more power.
That’s predatory practice right here. They use unhealthy manipulative practices.
Gacha isn’t exactly gambling, but the game in Germany has an age rating of 18+ ,(not because of gambling , but violence).
Dont get me wrong i dont want to defend FS and be an advocat for gacha or gambling in any game!
Just want to be precise and remember everyone to take responsibility of his own actions also.
not sure what or where to progress then if you can beat T5 Auric?
This isnt a loot shooter or has a complex or motivating character progression System.
The core gameplay is just doing missions, slaying heretics and climb the difficulty ladder.
What or where do you want to progress in?
Like i said dont fall for the trap with BiS gear progresssion, its neither neccessary to play all content and difficulties like you confirmed neither is there any worthwhile gamemechanics to progress imho.
I also like to become more powerfull, but the game in this regards is obviously poorly made and has some kind of alias progression system.
well, if you have realized this you can withstand or refuse to play at all.
Again i dont want to defend FS and RNG gacha stuff.
I play firstly for fun and use my resources and dockets to maybe get more powerfull gear, but very much seconded and not seen as a fundamental part of the game or what makes it fun.
Oh it’s exactly what gambling is. At least according to Merriam Webster dictionary, gambling is “the practice or activity of betting : the practice of risking money or other stakes in a game or bet”.
I know right now many developers and especially publishers try to come up with another word to overcome law restrictions and that’s very common. But I am not going to play with them in this game, it’s clearly gambling to me.
I would say we are in the early days of gambling with virtual currencies and it goes just like with cigarettes or any other cause of addiction, we see a lot of arguments why it’s totally okay because legally it’s not gambling. Like if you kill a man in no man’s land (outside of any country) you theoretically didn’t commit a crime. You still a killer though by common sense.
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This game’s fundamental core concept is selling immersion, it’s bringing people to Virtual Warhammerland, charging a one-time lifetime admission, and then selling them outfits so they can dress up their warhammer e-figures to cosplay in. Immersion and looks matters.
I don’t think of my issues with Darktide are ones that would be solved by shifting resources from production values and graphical finish, they’re largely conceptual or execution related.
None of the absurdity in the crafting and gambling stuff would be different if they focused on a less polished game. The fundamental problem is that they built gear acquisiton and crafting around a gambling mechanism inherently designed to be monetized…and then didn’t monetize it. All that RNG and the locks are there to drive additional play and generate frustration, so that you can bypass said frustration with tons of in game resources or actual cash, but Darktide just generates frustration without providing any outlet. That’s not an issue toning down the visual emphasis is going to fix. Fatshark needs to either commit to the whole design scheme or try something else, but as is that’s the area they need to make more like DRG, not graphics.
Same thing with class balance and talents. None of that is stuff that shifting resources away from the graphics department would have helped with their recent tree flubs like needing a 3.0 and 4.0 vet tree re-reworks.
As is, much of my withheld spending has been because of cheapness on Fatsharks part on visuals. The recent Krieg set had so many issues I refunded my Aquilas on the Veteran set and have declined to purchase Aquilas to buy other cosmetics after that one was so badly goofed and then re-goofed.
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I played Deep Rock for arround 100h and the game was a snoozefest for me. Sadly the action parts and gunplay are kind of boring.
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I think art always beats graphics for video games. That said, Darktide did amazing in both departments. I do think that they did a poor job of balancing graphics vs. performance though. They definitely earned a lot of ire and lost potential customers to the poor performance issues and lack of graphics card optimization.
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the difference is this: Gacha you allways get something for sure, maybe not what you wanted, but you get something. Gambling you may get nothing, although you spent money.
And Gambling for me is about real money, not virtual coins in a game you get by playing the game.
This person mentioned my thoughts exactly. I would drop Darktide permanently if all above was true
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This seems more a logical outcome of the presentation of gacha as a digital dice roll than a defining trait. I have no doubt that there are gambling systems with non-zero rewards out in the wild.
I won’t refute your personal views of gambling. There are however well-documented phenomenae in the human brain that gambling triggers, with a variety of physical manifestations (slot machines, games of chance, including digital implementations). Gacha targets these same responses, therefore I’d consider it equal to or a subset of gambling.
Unless someone invites me I have no desire to actively play on my own. The game mechanics and such are fine for what it is.
you excluded the important part:
gacha: you spend X and get something fur sure
gambling: youspend X and you may get nothing
psychologically gacha is even more addicting, because you allways get something, even if it’s not what you wanted.
It was only to be preccise that gacha isn’t the same as gambling.
I have to say i’m not sure how many words in english exist to describe gambling and such.
In german the same word can mean different things.
Lottery is gambling, you pay and may get nothing, but games like Ludo, Kismet or any dice games are also luck based, share the same word in german, but it’s very different from what Slot Machine or Lottery Gambling means.