The Crafting Memorial; lest we forget

Actually I commented last year atleast twice elsewhere on cosmetics threads that the only reason I even buy cosmetics is because they go with something I got for free. They may be trying to get those people.

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I called him out for his actual behaviour in threads elsewhere. He apparently responded while I was at work and sleeping and deleted the response so I never got to read it. I’m assuming he has me blocked since I picked up on his game. This dude isn’t interested in actually engaging properly at all. He wants people to get mad at him so they can be reported and banned removing their voice from the forum.

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such a shame that Fatshark is much like most Warhammer products now.
stop listening to your fans and see what happens.

Cosmetics is OK as it has no in mission gameplay impact.

Danger is that it might become overall focus at cost of base game development.

An old Blizzard developer once said a $15 horse skin for WOW made more money than whole of Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty.

That horse skin probably took few days.

Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty took 7 years and $100 million in development.

So trend is to make a game with decent online gameplay loop, add seasonal updates which changed/new map and weapons to create initial attraction. Skin spam pipeline as main revenue source that exceeds revenue of game itself. i.e. Apex Legends.

I would pay for birthday suit skin maybe. Butt naked character. If they dare to do then OK worth some money if brazen enough to introduce that.

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The grading system is based on a curve in that it is intrinsically a positive review. Therefore, based on that review, it defaults to positive. Same goes for negative reviews. But, as we established, with ALL reviews that mention crafting in any capacity still would only adjust the total percentage of positive reviews by 4% from “VERY POSITIVE.”
50% benchmark you’re referring to is in academic grading; this isn’t academic.

If that was true, I wouldn’t respond to everyone as often as I do. Your claim is false.

What I object to is ad hominem attacks and gross mischaracterizations, which I can and will flag for. If I catch myself doing those things regardless of intent, I delete those comments as I have in the past.

“Non-troll” Code for saying “Everyone who I disagree with is a troll” Is that correct?

Because I attempted to start one, and people from this thread came in there to throw ad hominem attacks and celebrated the thread being locked. How else can I see this as something other than people can’t stand it when others disagree with their view while at the same time projecting it onto others?

Yeah, our best course of action is to just wait him out.

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Yes it does.

I mean… that’s why I highly encouraged folks block them 2 weeks ago… you can see where their dismissive arguments were headed a mile off and engaging with them only encouraged further circular irrational logic. They’re not interested in actual data or proving a point, they’re arguing entirely in bad faith based on “feelings”.

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Isn’t that the whole point of a complaint?

Steam reviews “may” not be accurate. Likely any low grade effort reviews “could” be removed.

“Off-topic” below meaning low grade “F this game” etc without meaningful explanation

We are not privy to Steam’s internal system where if they do automatically or at developer request.

Example.

We also assume this system kicks in only in review bombing. But we don’t know the threshold they set on how that is defined i.e. 1000 negative per day etc.

It is case we don’t know more than we do know - of what happens in background.

But at very least we know possibility exists to dampen negative reviews. So ratios may not be accurate as reasonable assumption. If anything a game could be worse in reviews than what it really shows as nobody wants positive comments removed, usually the former.

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I’ve never heard of a positive review bombing. THough, I guess it’s not impossible. How do you detect it?

Ahh, you’re the kind of guy to put words in my mouth.

I’m sure you’ve seen the rest of my message which explains what you quoted here further.

How else?

This, is how else.

It’s not that you’re not allowed to have a different opinion, go ahead. It’s that it’s not based on logic anymore. If you can’t stand being wrong, maybe hold an opinion that’s based on facts.

The same way you detect a regular review bombing (or in this case; orbital disliking)
This is an example graph for either case :slight_smile: Imgur: The magic of the Internet

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Not at all. That was an invitation to clarify.

The crux of the issue for anyone is at its core subjective to taste in what they want in a game. Logic does not restrict you from having an opinion as opinions are subjective which are completely allowed to be illogical. Feelings don’t care about facts. And Facts don’t care about feelings.

So where was Fatshark review bombed and for what purpose? Is it inconceivable that after certain patch drops players changed their reviews or more players bought the game and gave it a positive review? I guess my question is, do you think FS has been pos. review bombed, if so, where? How can you tell?

Positive review bombing happens as well. As it is a positive thing for developers anyway I don’t believe there is a system to dampen that by steam.

Steam wants more of your money, removing positive reviews goes against their business goals.

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This speaks volumes about how you chose to read things.

But I’m gonna take this as literally as my messages (usually) are ment to be understood.

No, that was meant literally. I’ve not seen a single post which wasn’t satire or rage-baiting which said something along the lines of “I think DTs crafting and itemization are well done”
That genuine post does not exist. Or it it does, only the tiniest percentage of people actually agree with it. This has been quantified through several post which had hundreds of people in agreement with “Crafting bad” and singluar people claiming the opposite.

This sounds like I’d make sense but it doesn’t fully.

The reality is a little closer to: "Logic does not restrict you from having an opinion as opinions can be subjective which are completely allowed to be illogical or they can be more objective when they are logical. Feelings don’t have to care about facts, but they can for some. And Facts don’t have to care about feelings, but they can for some.

I personally try to not hold emotional but logical opinions except for when emotional is the appropriate way of handling a situation. Not everyone works that way, I know.

The point here is that you can hold the opinion of “I find DTs crafting & itemization to be enjoyable”. Please do so, the world is far more interesting if we disagree on things.
You’re allowed to hold an unpopular opinion, even when that is completely devoid of any reasoning because it doesn’t have to. Just don’t expect to get a whole lot of sympathy when nobody agrees with your opinion.

What I have a problem with here is that you want to have the unpopular, devoid of logic, opinion and expect to find kindred spirits / not find disagreement from others.
You wondered into the bear cave with a pot of honey in your hand and now you’re complaining that your hand is gone.

I guess what I’m getting at here; what did you expect?

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I understand, moreover, I came here to hear what people had to say. And off the getgo. My first reply was met with hostility. For a while, I tried to take it in stride, and since then it’s been an uphill battle to have civil discourse with anyone in here for having the audacity to disagree.
Yes, this is the lion’s den.
Yes, I’m here to learn and to understand.
Yep, they were hungry.
And at the same time, they’re wondering why I fired back. You know? So, yeah, I’m human, and I make mistakes as I’ve said again and again, I’m human and I get overwhelmed just like anyone else. There comes a point when peoples names start blurring together you know?

Beyond that, I’ve taken issue with an order of hypocritical values that are held in this forum and have questioned the logic in such takes. And of course, it boiled down to what was also an appeal to emotion and/or sentiment. Yet, I was still wrong because Initially, I was told that no one likes what exists. I protested. I was told I was wrong. I went to go start my own forum thread and leave this one behind, I was haunted to that thread, it was shut down because of the amount of ad hominem attacks that were thrown at me. I pursued the issue and was given tools to verify what I was being told. I was told a very false narrative that no one liked the state of things. There are reviews that vary in length, have dozens of hours in play time. I welcome you to consider the same material and be your own judge. But here we are at this point where I’ve ascertained that my error was for being in the wrong place for having an unpopular opinion. As they accused me of in so many words for disagreement. Am I understanding this correctly? I could be totally off on this.

I will concede I have a habit of doing this, not out of malice. But this is largely because of a larger accusation that I only follow echo chambers and the like, so I was taught that one should not live in an echo chamber. So I like to be where the voices are not ones I agree with – In spite of me going to attempt to create my own echo chamber before which was promptly sabotaged.

You’ve made your own analogies here but it’s very very simple for me.

You walked up to the beehive and had all the options at your disposal… and yet, you chose to poke the beehive.

Itemization had been a heated topic for then entirety of DTs existance and you chose to stoke those flames. It doesn’t excuse how people reacted but it’s completely understandable.

Oh I’d try to swat the bees too, now that they’re stinging me, that’d make sense to anyone.

Surely you understand too; it just also makes sense that nobody has sympathy for the guy that poked the beehive.

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