*criticized. A failure to mention is the absence of a negative. That’s what we’re testing for. You don’t test for the positive - as the burden of proof is to assume that a thing is presumed good or neutral until evidence is shown otherwise.
Yeah, I gotta back this up. From what I’m looking at with these reviews… this definitely tracks.
On a more personal level, my younger brother (who plays on XBOX) has ALSO quit the game because of the poor Crafting System and he didn’t actually leave a review, so that leaves a LOT of room for error surrounding the people who just… didn’t leave a review.
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In the 100 positive reviews tested so far (assuming all negative talk about crafting) so far this is my favorite review. #16
"Haters be damned this game is fun and has a great core loop.
More content needed? Yeah.
Does gunning and mowing heretics down make up for it? Yeah.
Haters go play angry birds.
Praise the emperor"
Incorrect. If you’re talking silent majorities, something isn’t praised or liked due to it not being mentioned. Could be good or bad. You just need to look at when it’s mentioned, and how they feel.
Another way to look at it. If aliens pointed a death ray to Earth, threatening to blow it up, and they abducted you personally and said “does the majority of players hate and/or are indifferent to the crafting system, or enjoy it? Choose one. Choose wrongly and we blow up Earth”. You don’t have all the information, but you have to make a reasonable guess with the information in front of you… What do you choose? Because the absence of evidence isn’t the evidence of absence.
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I am glad you found one review you personally relate to. Sounds like if someone personally felt there was a lot of hate, to write that review they felt outnumbered.
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That’s only 100 out of the 63,015 positive reviews on Steam.
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False equivolencies again?
The next person to talkk about crafting #43
i have to say the game with the current crafting and the class talents has imo become a complete game.
#48 “…for your mental health, don’t obsess over getting perfect equipment and please settle for good enough lest grinding fever instills hate in your heart…”
#50 “…-- Crafting sucks. It´s true. And they are working on it. Next update will be crafting update. /remindme in 6 month…” (this was a positive review, listed item)
#92 “3. The crafting system is horrible. Simply atrocious. It’s pure RNG. You may sometimes get lucky and roll a good weapon, and it feels great when you do so, but it’s hard to stay sane sometimes, and it shouldn’t be like this. I believe this was done on purpose to ensure players keep grinding in perhaps the most exploitative way possible. It doesn’t exactly motivate people to stick around. They did make it easier to obtain crafting materials in the most recent update, ‘Path of Redemption,’ but it’s still not perfect.”
I think you’re misunderstanding the purpose of this exercise. It is not to quote individual reviews. It is to compile a tally of categories of reviews commenting on crafting. Individual reviews don’t matter. You need to go through enough of a sample size (although apparently 530 people isn’t enough here so I guess go through 600 steam reviews to gain some confidence).
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Of course, because all reviews across time is a bad metric to measure the state of the game because it contains out-dated opinions. And that’s a fact.
All of them or none at all… all 63,015 of them
Or if we must compromise… every positive review ever since the first Crafting update.
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Though I should warn you, that you’re displaying a pattern of,
-refusing to listen to advice
-refusing to hear constructive criticism
-instead brushing those off with suggestions off and sending them on a wild goose chase
-doubling down on your errors.
It’s (almost) like you’re the on the other end of the spectrum from badwin according to FASAStampede when he writes:
“Come in,
Make a contrarian statement,
Refuse to acknowledge any refutations,
Claim personal bias,
Leave,”
I must warn you, you’re not even reading his responses if you genuinely think that.
But no, everyone who disagrees with you and stands their dig is wrong.
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Untrue. There’s lots of possibilities for old reviews.
1.) their review is old and yet simply still represents their feelings. They still play the game.
2.) They simply edited their review. It’s creation date is still old.
3.) They stopped playing the game, but their review still indicates their lasting feeling. If they did pick it up again (assuming updates made a good enough difference) it still may not change their opinion.
4.) It can be used to calculate trends. How much did the updates change in how many reviews were positive or negative or mention the same issues? If 1/8th of all negative reviews mention crafting, and a crafting update comes out, and the ratio is still 1/8th then it’s reasonable to think the update didn’t do much, or anything to resolve the problem.
It’s factually untrue to say all old reviews or opinion post are useless. They can still have uses.
If your confidence level for a sense of crafting is the first most recent 100 reviews and you’re satisfied with 4 mentions of it or so to decide something… Then you should be more than happy with hundreds of threads on Reddit and Fatshark.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17yac7z/is_the_crafting_system_terrible/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1962l4v/lets_talk_about_the_crafting_system/
Find me even one highly upvoted Reddit thread that celebrates crafting that seems popular. Find any one content creator that praises crafting and has got more than like 100 views.
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So my hypothesis is, based one the case study of 100 reviewers of positive results in recent reviews, that if we extrapolate these 100 users of which only four (or was it five? I’ll assume five) spoke about the crafting system, that we can multiply those numbers by six to get the 600 count to match your count, be more current than yours and by extension, more relevant that only 30 positive reviews discussed the crafting system in some capacity. Therefore, the 30 that makeup the projected sample of 600 equates too… extreme math 5% of people voiced discontent.
So! Going back to the number of people who reviewed this, 60% left a positive review. This means we can subtract the 5% of samples that we project to talk about crafting. This means there is still 55% (a majority of the whole) who talked about crafting. This of course, does not include reviews that were negative and didn’t talk about crafting.
Since there’s no hypothesis to the contrary that is more current than mine, we must accept this as fact. There is a silent majority who enjoys the game and does not talk about the crafting system.
I like your rules for making hypotheses. They’re easy to manipulate.
Hark! The goalposts have been moved! Surprise of surprises!
Lol, you realize someone, earlier in the comments already put a lot more work into the steam reviews than you did right? And screen shotted it and showed the data showing how unpopular crafting is?
I think you just want to defend the thing you like and want to be true… Even though you have nothing to go for it.
It seems too difficult for you to count so getting you to find “one” thread or YouTube video is a lot easier of a metric than apparently trying to get you to tally a few hundred reviews properly. Explicitly ones mentioning crafting, progression, RNG, itemization, etc.
Here’s a post that takes into account a lot more variables and does a better job analyzing steam review data.
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Wow, I had no idea someone could get this wound up over a suggestion to make their data better.
Wait, this is your ace in the hole? You should’ve warned me, I wouldn’t have spat my drink laughing. It looks like he took a screenshot of his scroll bar after typing a word (the image doesn’t specify) from a website (not specified) over some text. I mean, come on. Either you’ve got more up your sleeve and you’re arguing in bad faith, or this is what you’ve got and you’re arguing in bad faith, though I admit there might be something else I’m not seeing.
Uh oh… What’s this mean?
Out of 634 positive reviews, only…
ONLY 27 mention crafting AT ALL? (there are some reviews as I mentioned earlier that admire where crafting is but for the sake of argument, let’s just lump’em in anyway!
How many positive reviews mention crafting AT ALL? 27! What’s that percentage of 634? 4%! Seems my extrapolations were accurate after all.
Silent majority defense rests.
What’s it mean when only 50 people out of ALL RECENT reviews only mention crafting?
I’ll tell you what it means. It means 49 people felt compelled to write about it, whether for bad or for good. So, the next logical step would be to measure those who actively talk about it in the positive against those who talk about it in the negative. But then, that’s not what a silent minority is, is it?
If you’re going to be like this we’re gonna need a little bit more than just your word. Show us EVERYTHING and sample ALL of the reviews.
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