Shooters rework

[Reginald]

@Sarumane

While you have toughness shooters can stop/slow down your normal movement. The strength with which they do is dependant upon the direction you are moving. If you move towards a shooter and he hits you then that stops you for a short moment period.

If your toughness is broken shooters gain the ability to stun you regardless of the direction you are moving.

Interesting. This makes some sense from my ingame experience though. It didn’t come up in the way I was testing it because I rarely if ever directly run at shooters. Instead I was checking melee swings and sideways running so that explains a lot. Thanks for testing that further!

@Sarumane

I want to incentivize players to close gaps and play aggressively to specifically prevent these situations where you have a bazillion shooters in one room behind cover, which you have almost no feasable way to head into.

I think I fundamentally disagree with this idea. If there’s a bazillion shooters in a room behind cover there should only be three ways to assault them.

1. Cover shooter
2. Flanking maneuvers
3. Shields

I do not believe that an un-protected direct assault on a firing line is appropriate, believable, or enjoyable. I understand the desire for aggression and aggressive play but I think players should be forced into different approaches. There is only like two sections within any of the maps I can think of where this happens. One is Smelter complex near the beginning after the first medicae. That area, if populated with shooters, offers little in the way of flanking paths and usually has to be shot through. The other is Water Treatment right at the beginning staircase. That always turns into an enormous cluster and its one of my favorite maps for that reason. I’ve had more wipes there than anywhere else. (which I love).

As to shields, weeping.moon and I have been in discussion and have had some disagreement on exactly how they should be rebalanced. But their ideal use case, to me, is precisely as you describe.

Darktide's Melee Weapon Design has Failed

It can be a stat in Defences modifier. If we are talking about shield ability to tank shooters, then i have some random ideas: bull rush should work with block, like only exclusively for shield, not cancel block how it does in current state or maybe some blessing that gives ability to run while blocking, and also reduce stamina cost when you are doing this Yes, and you pay with your ultimate ability to do it, not like you are invulnerable and if there will be one more gunners blob behind th…

I think they exist and more of them will exist and when they are properly realized they will allow exactly the kind of gameplay you want, of rushing directly at entrenched shooter groups. But until they properly adjust stamina drain from ranged fire to be sensible to the 40K universe, we are stuck with the remaining two approaches.

The design intent of the game was pretty clearly specified as containing sections where the map design demands different approaches to solve, one of those approaches was a cover shooter. Its not supposed to be a game where one strategy (rush them!) is always viable.
To quote the game itself on this matter:

Admittedly this is funnier because I was using a long ranged melee weapon and didn’t bring a gun, and the “fire” in question appears to be mine. But there’s an army of shooters outside that door.