its actually one of the most satisfying modifiers in the game for me too. if only the gunners weren’t as easy to supress or scare off as they are now
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That one’s fun on any class. They all have strong options for dealing with ranged enemies.
I’m sorry but this is a tired, meaningless argument; it’s illogical.
Ratios/proportions matter. OFC we’ve all seen some bad lev 1000s , but I don’t recall ~any good lev 10s as long as the mod’s been out, and I think only a couple of lev 50s who were clearly alts, but the alts are every rare, and again just because it can happen doesn’t mean it’s not very unlikely.
How often do you see a bad L1000 vs a bad L10-50? Yeah, one is 100x more frequent than the other and it ain’t the 1k.
Since the last big patch alone, ~all the < 50s, hell nearly <100s are terribad with an attitude to match.
Nearly all of them have obviously only played malice and jumped straight into damnation and 90% of them do damn near everything wrong. Not just wrong for DT, but wrong for games in general. It’s a rarity to find one that realizes they’re better off sticking to the more experienced group for their own damn benefit. I think I “spotted” 1 that appeared to be an alt, and it stuck in our minds because it was such an outlier. And yes I’ve seen a few stinker L1ks, and they are also rare outliers so they made an impression.
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Perhaps, I say this but actually haven’t given it a try on other characters yet, as I only started to see it come up recently, and I imagine I’d just end up way too far ahead of my team as I face pull constant shooters 
I’ve seen bad high levels very often.
And I’ve seen quite a lot of good low levels.
There is nothing illogical about my arguement.
Also OPs point was to kick EVERYBODY below Level 30 (+50) IMMEDIATELY,
before even playing with those people.
Now explain to me, what’s logical about that…
EDIT:
Also OP and you, if you agree with him on this,
give TrueLevel, ScoreBoard and Mod Users overall a bad raputation.
Those are meant better the game for everybody.
Instead using these great tools given to us to be an arse to other players,
just on assumption they may be a burden,
is really the reason why so many people say all Mod Users are “toxic”.
And btw. I hate buzz words.
But in those cases, I think it fits.
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most of this could be avoided if truelevel could be altered to trueaccount, so people twinking their next character still verify their expertise with the game as a whole.
rule of thumb still applies that with more time spent comes a higher professionalism (well it should unless you’re actively resistant to learning).
i can very well understand if you join an I II V E G lobby and see 3 <50lvl dudes you anticipate a bad run.
if the dudes in question would show their overall account to be 500+ that changes the picture quite a bit.
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All of this could be avoided if people didn’t judge others solely on playtime. Which is all true level is a value for. Just because you have 2500 hours in a game doesn’t mean your a demi-god and just because someone else has 10 doesn’t make them garbage.
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I don’t believe you at all as to the frequency; I think you’re fudging the numbers to not back down from your having said it.
Quite frankly given what I’ve seen over the last 3-4 weeks, I kinda don’t blame OP. They’ve been absolutely terrible, clueless and often mouthy almost the whole time. I’ve spotted 1 clearly an alt that I can recall.
I wouldn’t prekick, I’d leave, unless it’s a 3-player pre-made.
OP is right about one thing, the real “toxic” behavior is knowing full well you’re not even remotely close to being ready for a given diff and going there anyways looking for a carry, getting one occasionally from good players and tanking all the rest of the matches. That’s almost all you see in the <50s, even <100s and it’s exhausting after a while.
If y’all think having people who struggle at malice in damn aurics is a good thing then you’re deluding yourselves.
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Not 100% of the time, but 80-90% easily, edit: minus the extremes you’re using. Hours sunk into something is usually (if not almost always) an indicator of your proficiency in it.
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Pretty wild to assume there is no correlation at all. Nobody is born good at this game. Although I do sometimes wonder if I get worse the longer I play.
Changing TL to show account level is an interesting idea. Might try editing my copy.
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You’re likely being facetious, but correlation does not imply causation in your case. e: Whereas if someone looked at your “main” chars and saw hundreds of levels they would likely assume, correctly I hope, that you knew what you were doing despite using commas as decimal separators. For the most part, you absolutely can judge by levels with a reasonable expectation of performance.
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absolutely true…
I am far from the greatest player… however, I am also far from the neophyte.
And, except when I meet too strong builds, I can contribute with the builds I use. With strongest weapons, I use to deal the most damages while not dying.
and with OP weapons, it is too easy and you take the lead easily…
However, sure, when I do a game like the one I did today… yes I cannot pull any weight. Today I met an ogryn with latrine shovel + kickback and a plasma turret. Let’s say I have been a spectator. The ogryn player was skilled and killed most of the enemies, and the plasma turret was killing everything in the line. That was a really boring game (auric power supply interruption hi intensity gauntlet… I hate the power supply modifier)
I share the point of view of PSI2007. You cannot judge by the level. And this is making a bad use of the mods… at the limit of being toxic.
Was kicked 30 seconds after entering the game… That’s just silly to kick people without even watching how they play.
And even, I have met 2 ogryns that were dying so fast, that I was reviving them constantly (veteran with +50% revive ally). I have not tried to kick them or even said something negative. I just said them that I was leaving.
Unfortunately I have met them again the next mission, and said again… “sorry guys, I leave”. Nothing more…
I use to play damnation with random. Let’s say it. It is harder than auric sometimes, cause of the “handicaps”. Nothing that justifies to savagely kick players.
EDIT: I like “despite using commas as decimal separators”, it made me laugh 
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IDK what to tell you, I could do like some of the others here and come up with a dozen different reasons why they kicked you even though they are extremely unlikely. “Maybe they had a friend joining”, “Maybe they made a mistake”, “maybe cosmic rays triggered votekicks” etc etc., all meaningless stories
I wouldn’t have kicked once the match started, in a lobby, blue weapons and stealth (smoke) are an auto-leave or kick for me if we control the vote.
Well, I sometimes have smoke grenade… and I rarely use them (except with one specific build). Usually, this is a question of talent points, and cause I am on a veteran melee build (especially if I use a dagger, I need . serrated blade to associate it with mercy killer).
That’s exactly why I push for a more balanced game. Cause of such situations where people exclude others that don’t use what they consider as meta.
I don’t even check the equipment of the other players… my builds always cover every threat in the game.
To be complete… I actually play a veteran stealth build with graia braced autogun and a shovel. The stealth permits me to reposition or reload when needed. I rarely use it more than 2 seconds… (it gives me +55% damages for 5 seconds and +15% for 5 another seconds)
EDIT corrected the bonus… it was not +45%…
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It has nothing to do with “meta”, I’ve been trolled by smokers and stealthers so so often that I won’t stick around to find out.
You should, it’s very telling. If you see someone with <orange or unmodified gear with whatever random t2 stuff it rolled etc, that’s a 100% sure indication that said person does not belong in damn aurics for multiple reasons and you can see it all without mods (you can’t see curios, and these types know that). It gives you an opportunity to know ahead of time if you should play with them, like those two ogryns you avoided in your previous post; they’re the same type of players.
whoever doesnt improve after a certain time put into the game is beyond help.
and for the odd false positives above and below, they simply aint large enough in number to exceed “collateral damage”
i neither kicked nor opted out of matches lately but EVERY low level the last couple days was underperforming by a huge margin.
some could be carried, some did such an amount of bullshyte that the cascade effect rained down a 
load of “fails” that could not be saved.
the amount of clueless people when it comes to map knowledge alone is beyond belief.
so yes, if one dude hasnt even enough time played to see every map at least a dozen times, hes unfit for highest diffs and a liability at best.
the sheer disrespect to the team to come this unprepared to an auric maelstrom, i can understand peoples frustration to not put up with it anymore.
the least i can expect from a team member is by then know the map inside out and if he cant be arsed to put in this little effort, why should i bother wasting my precious time?
this isnt tarkov and i aint playing sherpa sto freeloaders.
as for the other aspect of don’t “judge”
yes i do, its a vital part of progress and got us as a species to where we are now.
like it or not, every day at every moment you are judged for who you are and what you do.
and either one tries to be the best version of himself for his own sake first or be judged for lacking, simple as.
even child plays “judge” when they pick for a team or leave one on the bench, your employer “judges” when he’s hiring or refuses, girls “judge” dudes at every waking moment.
so how come “judging” is a bad thing?
only because its a “game” one should value his time so little as to let things slide?
how about sports in general?
by that logic “judgement” shouldnt apply when joining a soccer or football team after trying the sport for a couple weeks.
or boxing, surely if one hit the punching bag a couple times he’s ready for tyson in his prime.
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you can.
what action you take after the info is within personal discretion but by a huge factor “real” low level players behave and play a certain way.
usually one isnt a problem if the three others are up to snuff, but two or more, 99% of em are to green to get through auric maelstrom.
like todays, genuine, “nice try” by a team mate (<50)
the dude was polite, wasnt trolling or anything, thanked more than once for getting him up over and over again.
but the sheer expectation to “fail” and be content with getting “that far” is so alien to me, i’ll never settle for.
i mean i get this view but this is the time to practise until damnation gets boring and come back.
like who i’d like in my corner when chairs and bottles start flying in a bar fight?
the nice dude with a 2 week self defense course or the scarred old guy with several instances of mayhem in his rap sheet?
joining without the confidence of a successful run is a surefire for failure in my opinion.
either i give my 100% when joining the highest diff or i play another game when i’m not in the mood that particular day/hour/whatever.
but 3 other dudes are doing their best to see the ending screen and not the one about failing the emperor.
this is not about being sub par, thats the spice of the gameplay.
i talk about such a gap that it borders insult for the others putting their time and effort in.
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I don’t care about the last 3 - 4 weeks.
I’ve experiences in the last 2 years.
Also my point stands.
I made my point clear.
I’m done discussing it and I stand with it.
Kicking someone without playing with them is an arsehole move. Level be damned.
Also: If you are so great… CARRY!
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I know you don’t care, it’s clear you’re being disingenuous because after 1900 (to my 2500) hours you would have experienced the same things unless you’re in some magical time zone where the same laws of nature don’t apply. The other explanation being that you’ve experienced it but are oblivious to it. Even after a couple of hundred of hours or dozens since last major update you would have picked up on it.
And there it is, right on cue, the ultimate tired cliché of illogical excuses to top top off the sundae; the tail-chasing is complete.
“hur dur u so go y u no carry”
P.S. Silly take, the game has changed dramatically over the < 2 years, including since the big #13 tree+re-work and most recently with tweaks and last big updates, and returning players. You cannot apply pre #13 stuff to current situation, nor penance and secrets updates and their effect on the game. Anything prior is largely irrelevant. Willfully/ ignoring all the changes, be they mechanic, balance or influx of “new” players and how they affect the current situation, which was the context, is a giant red flag that your opinion and arguments are irrelevant and should be weighted accordingly.
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