I got the game after patch 13 and I leveled up a psyker as my first character, I absolutely agree that the skill is an extreme outlier. The nerf brought by patch 14 is not a good change IMHO, though, because spamming it is still the best way to use it and it is still mostly oneshotting everything in lower difficulties. I think the skill should move more towards a grenade-type functionality, by having 2 or 3 charges with a 30(?) seconds regen time, and using one charge shoots 4-5 enemy-seeking shards. This way the skill can be sparingly used during the run or be completely drained against a horde. No more spamming.

[image] desrocchi: Assail does not need to be nerfed, it just needs to be more situational. That is a contradiction.

It’s not, you just can’t concieve a different usage of the skill and you think that what we have now is the only possible one.

[image] Flawless: And then you might notice that assail is not even competitive when it comes to dealing with non ogryn elites (since patch 14). Hrm, you can one-shot crit any Shotgunner or Gunner with Assail secondary except the Scab Gunner, a couple seconds to left-click dump a few shards will generally kill any of these (and probably the two other gunners next to them as well). Yeah, it’ll take you more shards to kill a Rager, Assail isn’t as effective at doing that as it once was, but nothing is, those enemies got resiliency buffs across the board, and Assail will still kill a group of them faster than many other weapons will. Against Specialists, Assail remains largely as effective as it ever was. The idea that Assail is not competitive against “Elites” doesn’t seem to hold very true. Ogryns and Carapace-helmed Maulers, sure, Assail sucks, but was never good against those targets. Individuals Ragers? Not great, but will still kill them in about half your shard stack. Against packs of Ragers? Still solid. Gunners? Great. Shotgunners? Fantastic. If you enter a room, and there’s a pack of Ragers, or you encounter a gantry full of Dreg Gunners, what’s going to do more work, Smite, Brain Burst, or Assail? At least in my experience with the new patch, Assail is unquestioningly my answer.

Have you tried other classes? Ogryn with shotgun? Veteran with plasma gun or braced auto? As is the case with all of those who talk about how strong assail is, you do not compare it to anything. When you compare it to things that other classes have access to, it is really not that good against any elites except shotgunners.

Assail, a blitz ability, is not as strong as other classes’ primary weapons! Wow, who’d have thought?

[image] Departed: Assail, a blitz ability, is not as strong as other classes’ primary weapons! Wow, who’d have thought? Apparently not those who constantly complain about assail, because they usually claim that it outperforms everything. And even if assail dealt equal damage to the weapons of other classes… All classes except psyker can get pretty nutty toughness damage resistance. Veteran has a great support ability that can give overshields to teammates as well as instantly reviving them. Psykers can‘t do that (psykers are actually the worst class for reviving). Zealot has a great support ability, literally making players hit immune. Psykers can‘t do that. Vet and zealot can go invisible. Psykers can’t do that. Ogryn can taunt enemies and just stand there with the shield out, until they get bored. Psykers can‘t do that. The classes are supposed to be different from each other. Nobody is crying about the great support abilities that some classes have. Nobody is crying about the great movement abilities that some classes have. Nobody is crying about the great survivability that some classes have. Before patch 13, zealots could heal themselves back to 100% every 90 seconds. Nobody was crying about that. Why is it that people cry about the psyker when ever the class gets something strong in the damage department? Would it really be a problem, if the glass cannon actually came through with the cannon part?

[image] Flawless: Have you tried other classes? Ogryn with shotgun? Veteran with plasma gun or braced auto? None of them has autotarget. I’ve been playing Domination for the last couple of days and the non-assail pasyker is really a rarity. Even at that difficulty psykers go around with assail equipped from start to finish. I don’t think it needs to be nerfed, I actually think it needs a buff in concordance with an added limitation. At the same time the other blitz abilities require a huge buff to be in any way competitive with Assail. At the moment I’m sporting BB just because I’m doing the penances connected to it, but I rarely use it.

[image] desrocchi: None of them has autotarget. Some guns do not really need any more aim than assail does. And those that do need more aim, also come with the benefit that the projectiles actually go where you aim. Guns also do not require you to keep aiming at the enemy for a long time, and they also do not require you to wait for a second until the projectile arrives. [image] desrocchi: I’ve been playing Domination for the last couple of days and the non-assail pasyker is really a rarity. That is pretty strange. My own experience is quite different. [image] desrocchi: Even at that difficulty psykers go around with assail equipped from start to finish. I have never seen that happen. But if someone did that, they would not perform very well.

[image] Flawless: I have never seen that happen. I have just finished 4 matches, in 3 of them there was an Assail psyker. I don’t know where you play, but in central Europe seems to be the go-to blitz. Sicerely I would use it too if it were not for the fact that I’m restricting myself from doing it.

[image] desrocchi: [image] Flawless: I have never seen that happen. I have just finished 4 matches, in 3 of them there was an Assail psyker. I did not say that i have never seen a psyker use it. I said that i have never seen a psyker who only used assail from start to finish of a mission.

Psyker Assail patch 14 nerf

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