A game which is supposed to be challenging feels stale and boring
A game which has plentyful weapons and classes / builds in theory feels stale and boring because people play the same 4 overpowered classes and builds
that is a bad thing , im not a victim, i’m stating the obvious
Addendum:
I play a shock maul / vigilant autogun veteran atm
feels challenging and hard, but doable and fun
this should be the baseline not the exception every1 avoids
It’s understandable that a player with just over 100 hours might not fully grasp the core issues this game is facing. But let me give you a simple comparison.
Imagine a team of four Veterans, none of whom are using VoC or DS. That kind of team was the baseline for the original difficulty balance from Sedition to Damnation (now called Auric). Even then, skilled players who found Damnation too easy would challenge themselves with Auric and Maelstrom.
but, with the addition of Gold Toughness, DS being available to all classes,Buffed Ogryn and the introduction of the Arbites class and its weapons, the game has become exponentially easier.
Just imagine, using that same Veteran setup, which difficulty level do you think you could actually complete? Now, think about how much easier the game becomes if you switch to Arbites instead.
I’d wager that 80% of the players currently playing Auric or Havoc wouldn’t even be able to complete Heresy without relying on those crutches.
Wait, no, hold up
Hold the phone
ahem
First off you should try it once, it’s content and you never know what’ll click
Second, there’s no casual filter and most people forming parties aren’t so insane they’d try to micromanage others that hard.
Thirdly, and the meat of the response, all classes have enablers that allow people to bypass certain mechanics in one way or another. It’s really egregious for some classes. I am jokingly calling the current state dogmageddon because one very simple build for the Arbites is giving the dog an F-U aura of certain death that deletes everything.
I would genuinely go deeper but I should be working right now 
Its a bit more complicated than that
Not everything about arbites is broken, SOME aspects are broken af though and need a nerf
Not everything about Veteran is a meme, SOME aspects are and need a buff
Not every weapon is poop, some weapons are and need a SLIGHT buff
Not all weapons are op, some weapons are and need a NERF
Maybe it’s placeabo but it seems like the quality of players has dropped drastically since Arbitrator released. Maybe it’s because the class is so forgiving. I dont know, but it feels this way
I use Mk IV Catachan Sword and Mk XII Recon Lasgun on my Veteran.
I would use Mk IIb Infantry Lasgun but I don’t like having to spam LMB and it feels miserable to use when I’m being suppressed.
Yes. What’s the point of team buffs and coherency if I can just run up to a pack of crusher confidently knowing I will come out without a dent? The only risk is a disabler.
In V2, it was very tense having to break off from your team and you wouldn’t do it unless necessary.
as much as I give cudos to you that you participate in this discussion
your approach baffles me completely and I do not get it
there should be less suboptimal choices and no broken af crutch tools
somewhat decent players dont have to min max either
I get that you love your arbites
But being able to snipe anything from 200m away WITH A SHOTGUN or wrestle 10 crushers simultaneously with your BONK MAUL OF OVER 9000+ POWER or not having to worry about dense hordes because you can THROW A MINE LIKE A GRENADE isn’t min maxing or matter of taste or necessity
its broken bullkark
Let me explain what would happen if all other classes and weapons were brought up to the same level as Arbites and its gear.
First, after a short time, 99% of the player base would migrate to Damnation, Auric, and Havoc. Uprising, Malice, and Heresy would become so trivial that no one would bother playing them anymore, they’d essentially be seen as tutorials and eventually be abandoned.
Then, most of the skilled, veteran players would quit the game. What would be left are only casual players. At that point, the game would no longer require any real skill, and it would devolve into a repetitive experience. Casual players typically don’t stick with a single game for long. They’ll get bored quickly and move on. Even if an update brings them back briefly, once they burn through the new content, they’ll leave again.
Eventually, almost no one will be left playing Darktide.
chefs kiss for this reply post, good sir
Its not cool if they can do it ON THE HIGHEST BASE GAME DIFF in a COOP horde shooter
COOP
I made this Topic because I’m sick of it in general after two years of this powercreep cycle, Arbitrator just currently happens to be one of the issues upsetting Darktide’s Balancing.
You’re talking about us as if we’re targeting Arbitrator suddenly and unfairly, when I can safely say that most of us here have cared about powercreep since Combat Blade Loner Shroudfield Zealots were running ahead by themselves and soloing the Mission.
im not fine with it
i used it as a counter argument to that it is a necessity to min max in darktide
which it is not
read again 
About your “not experienced enough”
How many classes and builds / loadouts have you played across all difficulties?
If you’d like, please take a look at this video. I think it’ll give you a good sense of the current situation.
since i never played vermintide (cant get “into rats”) i have no experience in modded realms.
as a solution here id´d like a “purist mode”
no perks/blessings, no talents just your ult with reasonable cooldown.
that way “core elements” of your character would be the only defining trait, the rest is up to pure physical skill.
lets see how many clear auric maelstrom then.
nah its not.
after playing 4-5 rounds as arbi i literally feel “dumber” in terms of decision making as it became the norm to get away with so much stupid stuff, you unlearn to care for your surroundings and cascade effects.
2x now i´ve trapped myself into thinking the same bullsh1t can fly with my oggy and blew a match that was easily winnable.
well, winnable in terms of carry-able since after i fell the rest was screwed by a mile.
anyways, its like sparring against dudes way below your league, you feel like rocky but in the end get murdered when a real opponent comes through these ropes.
why do the hard thing first and skip the easy step? (an intern can tweak the numbers down on broken af arbi tools in an afternoon)
Also I remember the salty tears of Veterans all over all channels when Power Sword was nerfed and they have become useless on damnation (which was actually somewhat difficult back then) without access to their crutch
Clearly fatshark has to be afraid of such a backlash once again from arbites /ogryn mains ONCE AGAIN… review bombing incoming AGAIN
Thats the problem with Fatshark, they kinda dont seem to learn much over time
No it is not
Plenty of games out there without power creep
And as a Swiss person I can say:
Inflation? wink … I have to look up that word.
Don’t use the word “inevitable” so lightly, please