But the crusher also has an optimal attack chain that involves switching between lights and heavies. If you want nobrain attack combos the Antax is for you.
I still really like the idea of giving Bleed stacks naturally for the Eviscerator in any case. I mean…the name…the thickness…the angry engine noises…it all fits.
I really think baseline bleed is neither here nor there for changing its effectiveness, would mostly be for flavour, but certainly wouldn’t force you into bleed build regardless. It benefits plenty from punishment and retribution with or without bleed, if anything having bloodletter as a more consistent option would just add build diversity to it (I wouldn’t personally run bloodletter on it currently).
Well technically the optimal crusher combo is special → light → repeat till your brains melt out your head 
I generally agree with you, but I’m not very convinced it would be a good idea balance-wise. Reworking bloodletting to work this way would probably be fine, currently, I didn’t find any use for it (on Zealot running Evis at least).
I hate bleed gimick builds and never use them. I just think it’d be a fluffy way to add a bit more damage to the evi and some more style.
Does that mean you only like bleed builds that are good or you don’t like dot-builds in general?
All the bleed builds seem gimmicky to me right now. Low value, high effort. I’m ok with DoT builds generally.
How is combat knife bleed on zealot gimmicky though?
The funny part about this is that on Veteran running Knife with double bleed blessing is actually pretty nice, and very enjoyable. I hate Zealot knife bleed tho…
The Eviscerator certainly has some problems. The lights have curiously low Infested damage. Some attacks are listed as Vanguard (wide attack damaging many enemies at once) but are limited to damaging only 3 targets per swing. The blessing pool has redundant cleave boosters. The attack pattern relies on block canceling which conflicts with Shred. Bloodthirsty is a rare tier 4 blessing unique to chain weapons and it blows.
Why?
Good single target damage + high mobility.
Pair it with a flamer and you have a good kit for everything short of dealing with snipers.
It doesn’t deal enough damage, the same playstyle can be done with Taxe with more killing power. I just don’t feel it is impactful enough seeing it or playing it. I also don’t personally like the play style (of either Taxe or Knife on Zealot).
Well, from my experience with the game and reviewing scoreboards consistently knife zealots appear to do quite bad damage in general. They are survivable, of course, but I can survive just as well with my hammer due to stagger for example. They run around slapping things and procking DoT bleeds but then I have to wait forever for the poxwalker they hit 6 times to actually die. An exaggeration, of course, but illustrative of what it looks like when watching them (I have played this build myself). Its a gimick in the sense of you’re stacking all these feats and blessings and whatever just to not really derive outsized benefits from it. Low reward, lots of work.
I’m not criticizing people for having fun with builds they find interesting but I don’t find it to be much more than a gimick in its implementation. So when I say we should add bleed to the Eviscerator as a base advantage I’m not talking about pairing it with any bleed feats or anything. I know they exist, and I don’t care. I wouldn’t use them. I’d be looking to the bleed DoT as a little added flavor and extra damage.
Just to be clear I do not mean to say, that bleed is what the Eviscerator is lacking.
Pertaining to combat knife - sure it is not a damage power house on its own, but that’s also why one should pair it with a flamer as I said. If you do you have a build that makes you highly mobile, great at reaching priority targets, best at kiting, best at clutching by far imo and super survivable. Depending on comp I’d say there is definately space for something like that.
I think problem with knife is that many still overrate how good it is. Yeah certainly early on when crafting was absolute crapfest, it was an easy way to just slap dagger in zealots hand and have 100 % uptime with faith restored. It did not really even matter if that dagger had bleed.
Now tough when you can make decent axes and other weapons, you really need to be out of the loop to not realize that the bleed is highly overrated damage wise.
Its still great for mobility/single target if its decently rolled but it still seems to have this mythical status in the community which it really never deserved.
True, but you don’t pick knife for the damage. You pick it, because you want the maximum of mobility and survivability.
Exactly, then you find timmy the redditor who is absolutely certain that its the best damaging tool for zealot because everyone used it at the launch day.
Like surely it must be? Bleeds must be there for damage right?
I swear half the people still did not understand why it was so popular/strong early on. Like i don’t hate the knife personally and i do use it now and then, but some of the discussion surrounding this weapon was absolutely insane.
Question, if you critical hit an attack that causes bleeding, does that make the bleed effect also do more damage over time, as it also critical hit?
No. Bleed is unrelated to crits (besides gaining stacks with bloodletter feat, which really isn’t something you should be using with Evicerator anyway).
That is a shame. Would make for an interesting biss killer if you combine Bloodthirsty with Bloodletter for a tone of bleed.
The evis on tier 4 and below performs fine, but once you’re in damnation you fall off. I’m sure some minor tweaking could make it feel better.