Plasma Gun is bad

Warhammer 40,000: Darktide General Discussion
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Every time i touch it i feel worthless, useless to the team, best i can do is shooting at enemy clusters for that damage/shot efficency, but in the other half of the game when i try performing my veteran duty its mediocre at best

the real threats most often comes from those isolated specials and shooters that plasma gun is simply not built for, whenever i try to shoot those i feel like i suck at the game, takes two hits most of the times or even three when i miss, and even those who download the crosshair mod and nail every headshot they are wasting their ammo unless they are shooting at some cluster

thing is those clusters are the other classes jobs, plasma gun is only good for kill stealing from your team mates and from yourself

yes from yourself too, cause you can do a better job with frag grenades and melee, and the cherry on top is that plasma builds always have demo team (cause you can spend minimal on the upper tree), choosing plasma over everything else is just as useful as a zealot with both flamer and flame grenades

after a short meditation session i realized that maybe that is why zealot main especially are the most hurt by plasma gun, they play this game in protagonism mode and all you are doing is stealing their moment, shooting to make your plasma shots efficent while they get trapped, gun down and sniped by the special you left alive, and was supposed to be your job

all this while psykers and ogryns laughs in a corner while yielding their millions on the scoreboard, plasma gun or not

unless you are playing in very specific maps with all corridors like smelter complex or chasm logistratum, or in strike teams with no flamers or rumblers i see absolutely no reason to bring plasma gun over anything else, a las pistol can do a better job at dealing with the priorities for crying out loud

priorities being the key word here

in a perfect world where every darktide player is a vet main then everyone would have their priorities straight even when they are on other classes

if you don’t like what i said here you are wrong and part of the problem.

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What I am getting from this is “nerf uncharged plasma shots” - if so you’ve got my vote!

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its a mess more complicated than just that, the whole plasma gun system has just bad chemistry with everything and everyone, resulting in what i’ve stated above, don’t expect me to pull the rabbit out of the hat

i’m addressing all this in a vain attempt to underline the real issues instead of the superficial yap i keep getting exposed on this community

a blunt nerf would be the least thing that i would like to see

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If you don’t like plasma, don’t get it, what’s the problem? Ah yes, it is the top weapon in terms of effectiveness, and one of the most 3-5 popular weapons for veterans. Well, let’s nerf it, because that’s how everyone thinks, if something is too good - destroy it in the junk. Objectively, any topic that talks about nerf is made without a simple understanding that there is simply no choice, why break something good, when you need to improve the bad to have a choice.
Than write another topic with a hint of nerve weapons, write topics to strengthen the weak without changing the strong, so that people can choose what they are interested in, not from the playable.

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i wrote this whole rant just because i hate that this community think this, and i want to prove them wrong

and to go play my bolter build instead

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Bolter is Better - #7 by Antilus

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Its always been utter garbage but extremely fun.

The narrative hijackers gonig full circle and I cant wait to bust out the IToldYouSo’s en masse.

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The bolter on the Havoc is a real pain for the rest of the other team that uses ammo, however I don’t deny that the bolter is a great weapon. However, in terms of effectiveness, it loses to plasma.

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I dont like plasma much either, but I see people dominate with it. How can you say its bad?! It deletes whatever you point it at.

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When I saw the title I thought: “Oh wow, what an obvious bait post, let’s see what it’s about”

and then I was shocked by who made it.

The kindest thing I can say is that you’re just wrong. I’m sorry, you are.
You not enjoying your time using it does not make it a bad gun. I know you play vet a ton so I can’t really excuse this with a “skill issue” reason. I can’t understand how you’d get to your conclusions.

Plasma is a top 2 Vet gun and it’s not really much of a debate.

I’d sooner believe this is supposed to be a PSYOP to not have it get nerfed than an actual take from someone that plays Vet as much as you do. It’s not supposed to be an insult, I just really can’t belive what I’m reading.

Antilus, you know you f*cked up when this guy agrees with your take.

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It’s not bad, just overrated by people who don’t really play the class. People who say that Plasma Gun’s cleave is broken have witnessed it happen a few times per mission and think that enemies line up perfectly for every shot you make which couldn’t be further away from truth. But then again, this community likes basing their balance talk on the perfect scenarios and playing perfectly at all times.

Meanwhile in Havoc 40 Recon, Bolter and Plasma Sword are all superior damage dealers. Namely Bolter is both better at sniping and boss busting.

Plasma/Duelling Sword Vets on Havoc is the definition of “I don’t kill Gunners and Reapers when it’s clearly their class job, until they just drain entire team’s toughness”. The only thing worse is Vets who think that Double Barrel is good, because they got carried by their teammates dealing with all of the important targets, while they farmed their scoreboard damage by shooting a single Dreg Gunner 4 times to finally get a kill.

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That sounds more like you haven’t played with a competent vet.

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I ummm okay

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Plasma cleave is OP not because you can bowling ball 20 gunners in a perfect scenario, but because you can hit that high priority target located behind 20 poxwalkers.

Edit: plus it’s the only weapon that cleaves through Bulwark shield.

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This post is laughable (sorry OP!).

Plasma gun is very strong, and is one of the top Vet weapons for several reasons. Large ammo reserve, you can shoot many shots (on single fire) without reloading, insane cleave and armor penetration.

In particular, the ability to shoot through a horde to kill specials buried among the horde is amazing, especially at higher difficulties where the constant waves of specials are the biggest threat to the team. It can down Crushers nearly as fast as the bolter but does it more economically. It has perfect aim with essentially no deviation off your crosshair. When your team happens to get overwhelmed by lesser enemies or melee elites, the thing is like a laser beam that can thin out the horde while killing elites in the process.

Don’t ever shoot charged shots, that’s a trap for the most part. Single shots have no risk of blowing you up and do enough damage anyways.

I stopped using plasma for the most part because it felt like it was trivializing the game.

Edit: Oh, it also shoots through terrain and walls.

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Imo if you are a good player, then you will be more efficient with bolter than plasmagun.

But since plasma is a more noob friendly weapon, it’s trivializing game more often for the players who don’t play high level havoc, wich is probably ~95% of the community.

However, the fact that people still arguing about plasma, means there is something wrong with it.

Rescaling light/charge shots with lights also can blow up your ass, even without DPS changes, will be already considered by some people as a nerf, cause it will ask from them to utilize more brain capacity.

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I totally agree.

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I’ve never gelled with the plasma gun. I found the micromanaging of the venting quite jarring.

Surely though, on paper, it should be excellent against single targets and bad against hordes? Isn’t plasma meant to rip through everything with laser precision?

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Many other weapons have sufficient penetration or stagger to kill specials in the same situations. And the few times Trapper actually shoots their net through a pack of elites, Plasma also doesn’t guarantee the kill.

Bolter can kill through walls too and can open up Bulwarks, although it’s less ammo efficient against them specifically. And if you’re an off-meta connoisseur, a single special shot from Agripina shotgun removes Bulwark shield even with more ease. Shooting Bulwark’s shield as Vet is not that good anyway, you usually grenade them beforehands or someone else opened/staggered them already.

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You are too weak and will not survive the winter.

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Not once have I ever thought I wasn’t performing well with the plasma gun. I could see the argument of stealing the spotlight from other players, but there is literally no downside for the person using it.

Plenty of ammo, insane ready speed from swapping compared to others in its category, pierces literally everything.

I stopped using it because it trivialized the game, not because it was bad performance wise.

Bolter is definitely in a good spot right now though. Although it would be nice if they actually fixed the jittering bug instead of making the projectile hitbox so massive.

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